The General Wrestling Thread

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

It's always the same formula. First match is around 20 minutes, and usually very good with your Cesaro/OrtonSheamus types. Then they give you one or two more shorter ones. If it's Tons of Funk or divas I handwave it, but sometimes you get Uso's or a good enhancement match with a good jobber type like Slater, Gabriel, etc.

Its definitely a pick your spots show. Its pretty decent, I like it...its hit or miss for me, which is why I gotta use the remote for it.

[JimLeavy59]

Hail Sabin

[s@ppisgod]

TNA is so fucking WCW 2001. Hey, this thing doesn't have much more left in the tank, let's change things up finally and push new main eventers. Cue the Price is Right horn.

[Warner2BruceTD]

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DO IT.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Would I be off base or out of line to say that the Top 5 workers (in no order) in the WWE right now are...

Daniel Bryan
Antonio Cesaro
Sami Zayn
CM Punk
Dean Ambrose

?

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Also, should I be watching Total Divas...?

Look at this and tell me you weren't holding back laughter.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/19/john-cena-girlfriend-pops-dreaded-question/

[EmpireWF]

I hope that was a rib from everyone on Cena.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Would I be off base or out of line to say that the Top 5 workers (in no order) in the WWE right now are...

Daniel Bryan
Antonio Cesaro
Sami Zayn
CM Punk
Dean Ambrose

?

Ziggler, Christian, Rollins in the conversation. Rollins bumps are out of this world. Orton when in there with good people. Same for Cena.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Ziggler, Christian, Rollins in the conversation. Rollins bumps are out of this world. Orton when in there with good people. Same for Cena.

Jericho would come in for me @ #6...I thought he had a really strong year...he came in right way working strong TV matches. The Fandango WM PPV sucked, but Fandango isn't a good in-ring worker and it was his first actual match under the lights. But he has followed it up with some strong work with Punk at a PPV and some more strong TV work.

I gotta throw in my boy KREW-GAAAAAA if we are expanding the list to 10+...thinking back, since the Observer year starter, he's been consistently pretty damn good on NXT.

Obviously Ziggles is in there. I am not sure where I place him. I can obviously see a +workrate guy, and he has flashes of it, but he hasn't worked with anyone that can really bring a ****+ match out of him yet. (edit - he had a really good match with Punk last year) I've seen Punk and Bryan get fantastic TV quality matches out of Mark Henry. I really like Ziggler, but I think there is a cutoff line from that elite group and then Ziggles. Ziggles and Rollins are bump machines. They have made a lot of guys look good because of it.

Orton needs a really high end worker to get something really good out of him. He's down on the list, IMO. Young Lex Luger-esque just an obviously better athlete. Personally, I don't like watching Orton unless he's in there with someone I really like.

Cena is always the most underrated worker. Once in a while he has a match with a lesser guy that he really has a solid match with and he can be taken to ***** with the right people and hold up his end and then some. If there is a most underrated worker every year, its probably Cena, simply because everyone shits on him, but he's always got a few "Best of" matches in the WWE by year's end.

[s@ppisgod]

Christian is like a grittier, less flashy Edge. I can't put either of them in a top 5, but damnit if they don't make EVERYTHING they're involved in consistently above average.

Punk
Ambrose
Ziggler
Bryan
Cesaro
HM: Rollins. Love that guy. It's awesome that he's getting a push in the big leagues from the get-go. I wasa little worried.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I've stated it several times before...Edge is someone I didn't appreciate when he was around.

I then went back, right around when he retired and realized wtf I was missing out on. He was really good for a long time. Maybe its because it was oft-regulated to Smackdown and I rarely watch Smackdown without it fast forwarded through most of it. I don't know. But, in the ring, he was really good for a long time.

[Warner2BruceTD]

I always preferred Christian to Edge in ring. I think Christian is/was much better at putting together a long match, where as Edge was more reliant on a few key spots. As an overall performer I give the edge to Edge (no pun intended), but it's closer than you think. I think Christian is better in ring, they are very close when it comes to promos (Edge is probably better as a heel, but Christian is very good in his own right and a better face promo), and Edge blows him away in the charisma department.

There aren't many people I enjoy watching in a long North American style match as Christian.

[s@ppisgod]

Agreed. But I think Edge as a heel promo-wise is pretty decently ahead of Christian regardless. Christian can carry a match well, much better than Edge. But Edge can work a big match better. Maybe it is those key spots or high spots, but the guy always made his big matches come off as delivering. His matches with Cena were a turning point in CENA's career. That was when Cena started carrying his own weight and being able to not only be led to a good match but find his footing as the guy leading others to solid matches. That was the first time Cena became watchable as an in-ring talent, rising from concretely mediocre to above average.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I always preferred Christian to Edge in ring. I think Christian is/was much better at putting together a long match, where as Edge was more reliant on a few key spots. As an overall performer I give the edge to Edge (no pun intended), but it's closer than you think. I think Christian is better in ring, they are very close when it comes to promos (Edge is probably better as a heel, but Christian is very good in his own right and a better face promo), and Edge blows him away in the charisma department.

There aren't many people I enjoy watching in a long North American style match as Christian.

I love Christian...and would give give him the in-ring nod over Edge...but I've shit on Edge a ton when he was active...I've just come around him and I think he's really good. They both are pretty complete workers, but compliment each other very well.

And, Christian gets infinite props from me when he was able to carry Randy Orton to a string a excellent matches. No one got great matches out of Orton up to that point.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Agreed. But I think Edge as a heel promo-wise is pretty decently ahead of Christian regardless. Christian can carry a match well, much better than Edge. But Edge can work a big match better. Maybe it is those key spots or high spots, but the guy always made his big matches come off as delivering. His matches with Cena were a turning point in CENA's career. That was when Cena started carrying his own weight and being able to not only be led to a good match but find his footing as the guy leading others to solid matches. That was the first time Cena became watchable as an in-ring talent, rising from concretely mediocre to above average.

They never missed the boat more than they did with that botched Christian-Cena feud. That would have made Christian a made-man.

He was on RAW, IIRC, just putting in the best character work of his career. He's running the anti-Cena gimmick as Captain Charisma he's getting really hot. An obvious tension built up between the two and they never really interacted except, I think at Money in the Bank. They only really interacted in like 3-ways and other beat matches like that. Then they do the double switch at the Draft show. IIRC, he ended up having a mini feud with JBL before he went to TNA...brutal.

That would've been fantastic.