The General Wrestling Thread

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Every once in a while, Warrior Warrior makes a damn good point.

Was listening to a podcast interview with him...and he seyz, in regards to the Warrior DVD the WWE put out...for a guy that "self destructed" he certainly has a good life post wrestling...good income post wrestling, generally normal life...doesn't have to keep wrestling...no after effects of the business...as opposed to two guys that ripped him in the DVD - Hogan and Flair - that are finding themselves broke, divorced, publicly embarrassing themselves, etc. He seyz "who really self destructed"...

Makes you say Hmmmmm.

[FedEx227]

My latest column/whatever, posted on Bleacher Report for now working on a VSD post:

WWE: The Beyond-Stale State of the Heel Authority Figure

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1176909-wwe-the-beyond-stale-state-of-the-heel-authority-figure

I am not sure beating a dead horse is an apt phrase for what I am about to write about.

World Wrestling Entertainment’s use of a heel authority figure in a feud with a top face in the company is beyond dead-horse territory.

It is in an indefinable, perpetual existence, and the latest example featuring John Cena and John Laurinaitis could not be duller.

The autonomous authority figure has been a part of professional wrestling in one way or another since the sport's very existence.

Even in the WWF’s heyday, there was the Jack Tunneys of the world, the Gorilla Monsoon presidency and the “Rowdy” Roddy Piper and Sgt. Slaughter commissioner role, but they existed more times as figureheads than as decision-makers.

Tunney inserted himself only when necessary, most famously holding up a "Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase WWF Title victory and kick-starting WrestleMania IV’s Championship tournament.

Piper found himself in the spotlight when he ordered Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels to participate in an Iron Man Match at WrestleMania XII, and Monsoon, then the WWF president, ordered the match into overtime.

Despite these examples, they existed as the voice of the company, but not the micro-managing, every-match-making general managers we have had in large part since the WWE’s brand split in 2002.

Unbelievably, there was a time when matches were just made—there was no explanation or credit given to the president or commissioner, they were just there.


WWF President Jack Tunney Announces Winner of Royal Rumble as WWF Champion
Now we are led to believe a multimillion dollar company, and one of the top-rated shows on cable television is booked and decided by the seam of the general manager’s pants.

“You people are brawling backstage, you get a match tonight!” “You were mean to me backstage—you’ll have to fight a monster.”

Often you are not going to want to run a company like this, but it's professional wrestling. I guess we can look beyond basic logic.

More importantly, the entire concept of the heel authority figure is beyond stale. The self-interested figurehead was once something unique. It was seen as revolutionary when done by Eric Bischoff in WCW and more notably Vince McMahon in the WWF.

These days, the horse is beyond decayed.

Since McMahon inserted himself into the highest-profile wrestling feud of all-time against “Stone Cold” Steve Austin, there’s been a steady, almost constant stream of the heel figurehead atop of the company.

McMahon led to Michaels’ brief role as commissioner, who led to Stephanie McMahon and Triple H, who led back to Vince McMahon, who led to William Regal, who led to Bischoff, who led to Jonathan Coachman, who led to Regal again, who led to Mike Adamale—you’re still with me, right?

Adamale led to Stephanie McMahon again, who led to Vickie Guerrero, who led to—and I quote—the anonymous general manager, who has led us to the current Laurinaitis.


Oh, wait, what about SmackDown? Paul Heyman led to Kurt Angle, who led to Theodore Long, who led to Vickie Guerrero. Oh, wait, what about NXT? Just kidding, I cannot even be bothered to look up that lineage on Wikipedia.

The point is, for nearly 15 years, the stream of heel authority figures has been constant.

Not only is the authority figure stale and done to death, it is downright detrimental to the wrestling business.

Despite the perceived staleness of this character, they still get great reactions because they are protected.

Where a heel like The Miz is losing on a constant basis, the heel authority figure, despite having their evil plans thwarted, are always in a position of power.

A heel wrestling, without given proper direction or an ability to show dominance, is always on a level below the super faces of WWE.

Laurinaitis is great at what he does, but at what costs? He brought Lesnar in to stop Cena, but that booking is backwards.

Instead of the star being Lesnar, the star that has emerged is Laurinaitis.

The issue is that one is being paid $5 million this year, and while I do not know Johnny Ace’s contract situation, I am going to guess it is less than $5 million.


The heel authority figures, unlike any other heel in current WWE, is protected and constantly propelled to the top. Thus, they are still getting decent heel reactions despite the fact they cannot be presented as main event stars.

At this month’s WWE pay-per-view, Over the Limit, WWE is going to test this theory by putting Laurinaitis against Cena in the main event, and while McMahon vs. Austin brought Raw is War to the top of the ratings battle, I do not think people care enough about Laurinaitis to pay for a match of his.

The issue has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. The need to have that strong heel whose authority at the top of the company has come at the expense of a true top headlining heel. The yin to the face’s yang. The Andre to Hogan. The Rock to Austin.

These days, the biggest heel in the company is the person who has not wrestled consistently in 10 years but starts off every show with a long-winded promo.

He is the one who is in charge, who brings in Lesnar as a henchman, the person featured in multiple backstage segments.

The stale authority figure has simply replaced the mega-heel as the counterbalance to wrestling’s hero—and not for the better.

[Warner2BruceTD]

I can tell this was edited by a B/R editor, because every fucking sentence is its own paragraph.

"People get bored reading lengthy paragraphs" is something I was told more than once.

[FedEx227]

Yeah, that's not me. I usually write pretty long form, long paragraph.

[Guest]

Still can't believe that WWE is trying to push Tensai as a main-eventer yet someone like The Miz, who they have invested quite a bit in, loses to Brodus Clay and is probably stuck where he is right now And that's before putting Laurinitis in a match against Cena as a main event for the PPV.

Fed Ex's article is spot on. It is why I am struggling to keep up with things and it's just not interesting anymore. They've got to find some way to inject some life into the story lines, because it's a whole lot of repeating.

[EmpireWF]

Miz is going to be the lead in Marine 3 so expect him to be off TV for awhile beginning soon (I think filming kicks off next month).

[krulmichael]

Miz is going to be the lead in Marine 3 so expect him to be off TV for awhile beginning soon (I think filming kicks off next month).

[Guest]

Miz is going to be the lead in Marine 3 so expect him to be off TV for awhile beginning soon (I think filming kicks off next month).

Still, you don't have one of his last matches be a loss to Brodus Clay. I know they are putting him over, but that's not how you send out Miz, and I don't even like the guy and don't think he's more than a top end mid-carder. But they've invested the time in him to make him more than that and it seems silly to waste him like they did.

Also, it will be interesting to see how they will use Paul Heyman. It may just be a one-off, considering he worked with Brock Lesnar on his autobiography, and if memory serves, Heyman has been out of wrestling for a while.

[FedEx227]

Yes and no. He isn't in a direct role but there's rumblings that he's advising Brock the whole way through this.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Paul is going to be a regular because they only have Lesnar for limited dates...they burned through a bunch of appearances early on. So, they'll fill the gaps with Heyman. Which is great...because Heyman could make talking to a paper bag interesting. The guy's got a lot of Jew Lawyer in him...its great to hear him talk.

[Bigpapa42]

Okay, since the WWE isn't really holding my interest that much at the moment and I've reached a point with TNA where I would rather chew on the barrell of a shotgun than watch, I've decided to be "productive" in watching some old shit. I started watching through the "In Your House" pay per view series in sequence. I'm doing a half-assed review/random thoughts on them on another site. Considering reposting here. Would anyone give enough fucks to read it if I bother?

[Warner2BruceTD]

I would read anything wrestling related.

[FedEx227]

I may have another place to put them Papa if you're interested. I've been trying to get a wrestling blog of sorts off the ground. Not looking to do a ton with it but it'd be fun to get some of your content on there.

[Bigpapa42]

I would read anything wrestling related.

Noted. To be honest, that doesn't surprise me. At all.

I may have another place to put them Papa if you're interested. I've been trying to get a wrestling blog of sorts off the ground. Not looking to do a ton with it but it'd be fun to get some of your content on there.

That's intriguing. Its not he most serious of projects, though. Not sure if that matters or not. I'll post the first show or two on here. Take a look. If you think it would help, we'll sort something out.

[Guest]

Paul is going to be a regular because they only have Lesnar for limited dates...they burned through a bunch of appearances early on. So, they'll fill the gaps with Heyman. Which is great...because Heyman could make talking to a paper bag interesting. The guy's got a lot of Jew Lawyer in him...its great to hear him talk.

So they are going to make him into Lesnar's mouthpiece? Because even when he's on the mic, Lesnar is terrible at it. I guess they could take it further and have him create some sort of heel stable or something, maybe ECW related to try and take back the company. Vince must have given Heyman something, because they weren't on good terms when he decided to leave. The only other option is that Heyman wants back in and doesn't matter what/how that is.