The General Wrestling Thread

[Bigpapa42]

The Mondo stuff... Not my cup of tea. I have nothing against some blood in a match, when the situation calls for it. But the extreme hardcore, death match, light tube stuff does nothing for me. Its like the wrestling equivalent of torture porn. I can respect guys like Mondo and Necro Butcher for the lengths they're willing to go to, but its just not something I'm interested in for the most part.

[JayDizzle]

The Mondo stuff... Not my cup of tea. I have nothing against some blood in a match, when the situation calls for it. But the extreme hardcore, death match, light tube stuff does nothing for me. Its like the wrestling equivalent of torture porn. I can respect guys like Mondo and Necro Butcher for the lengths they're willing to go to, but its just not something I'm interested in for the most part.

The thing I liken "hardcore wrestling" to is all those Gladiator scenes you see in the movies where all the crowd wants to see is somebody get fucked up.

A lot of this can be placed on the shoulders of ECW back when all they had were the cult of fans and late-night cable slots at 2 in the morning... then CZW got into the mix soon afterward with their bullshit and it's been downhill since.

The sad thing is, most of the guys that purposefully throw themselves throw light tubes and onto thumbtacks can actually know all the rudimentary moves required to perform a basic wrestling match.

...they just can never get over with the crowd unless they get their opponent to tap an artery and bleed out on the mat.

[BigBiss]

Biss in the hizzouse!

Here's hoping he can regal us with tales of meeting some of the best in the young Japan wrestling scene today...

If anything, I think he's met Masada before so that's by all means awesome in my book.

Spent my St. Patricks day with the man, as a matter of fact, good to catch up with him.

Still Very humble despite now being the top Gaijin in BJW now.

[Bigpapa42]

The thing I liken "hardcore wrestling" to is all those Gladiator scenes you see in the movies where all the crowd wants to see is somebody get fucked up.

A lot of this can be placed on the shoulders of ECW back when all they had were the cult of fans and late-night cable slots at 2 in the morning... then CZW got into the mix soon afterward with their bullshit and it's been downhill since.

The sad thing is, most of the guys that purposefully throw themselves throw light tubes and onto thumbtacks can actually know all the rudimentary moves required to perform a basic wrestling match.

...they just can never get over with the crowd unless they get their opponent to tap an artery and bleed out on the mat.

I can understand why people watch it. People are blood-thirsty when you get right down to it. The appeal of torture porn horror flicks seems somewhat similar to me.

Pro wrestling is a weird business. Being average makes it so difficult to stand out. You need something - whether its great skills, a unique look, great charisma, something - to stand out. A guy who is average in every way - skills, look, mic skills, charisma - is going to have a tough time standing out even in indy promotions. So some guys end up doing crazy shit just to stick out.

[BigBiss]

The thing I liken "hardcore wrestling" to is all those Gladiator scenes you see in the movies where all the crowd wants to see is somebody get fucked up.

A lot of this can be placed on the shoulders of ECW back when all they had were the cult of fans and late-night cable slots at 2 in the morning... then CZW got into the mix soon afterward with their bullshit and it's been downhill since.

The sad thing is, most of the guys that purposefully throw themselves throw light tubes and onto thumbtacks can actually know all the rudimentary moves required to perform a basic wrestling match.

...they just can never get over with the crowd unless they get their opponent to tap an artery and bleed out on the mat.

meh most the guys that can wrestle and do the hardcore stuff never get the same respect as guys like Pondo,Corp, 2 Tuff tony and Ian

Guys like Toby,Drake hey even guys like Jacob Ladder and Darin Childs(Who was a main eventer for AAA under a mask at one point) never seem to get over at the same level as the grab and Swing guys

hell even some one like Necro who is very intelligent when it comes to Ring Psychology in brawls and hardcore matches can resort to the "grab and swing" crap.

[Bigpapa42]

Necro is interesting. I've only seen so much of the guy, but he seems pretty solid in the ring. Which means he really doesn't need to go to the lengths he does. He reminds me of Mick Foley in some ways.

[Warner2BruceTD]

ROH 7th Ann from NYC

Here is my report from Wrestling Observer....

Dave, here is a recap of the ROH 7th Anniversary Show from NYC:

Roderick Strong & Erick Stevens def. Rhett Titus & Kenny King: Hot opener. Strong deserves a better spot, his character seems directionless right now. Titus & King are over, and make a solid team.

Brent Albright def. Claudio Castagnoli via DQ: Match went to a 15 minute draw, but Castagnoli asked for 5 more minutes, and Albright accepted. Castagnoli immediately low blowed Albright when the match was re started, resulting in the lame DQ finish. Fans were not happy. Castagnoli attacked Albright with a chair post match, and left him laying.

Bobby Dempsey def. mystery opponent Adam Pearce in 30 seconds: Pearce had a verbal confrontation with NBC's Mike Oliphant (sp?) before the match, and gave him a good shove that tore his shirt. Once again, they booked Dempsey in a quick squash, which is a smart thing, but where do they go from here? He's already gotten his revenge on Sweet & Sour multiple times now. A match with Chris Hero?

Jerry Lynn def. Mike Quackenbush: Solid match, but too short to develop into anything more. Lynn won out of nowhere with the cradle piledriver.

Tyler Black, Necro Butcher, & Delirious def. Austin Aries, Jimmy Jacobs, & Brodie Lee in a "Revolution Rules" match: What a disaster. One of the worst matches i've ever seen in the dozens of ROH shows i've attended. Confusing rules (even the wrestlers seemed confused), and just plain awful. Delirious was eliminated first, via pinfall. This meant the next fall had to be a submission. However, this did not stop the participants from going for pins, or ref Todd Sinclair from counting them. Necro Butcher & Brodie Lee were eliminated next, via DQ for "leaving the ringside area". Keep in mind, there were supposed to be no DQ's, and neither man submitted. That's besides the fact that 90% of the match was a brawl away from the ringside area. Next one out was Aries, who was submittted by Black. They did a bunch of nearfalls, so everyone assumed we were back to pinfalls, so the submission was again quite confusing. Whatever. Black then beat Jacobs, to absolutely ZERO pop. Everyone hated this, but no one really wanted to shit on Black, who worked hard and is very over. This was like a bad TNA gimmick match, but much worse. Even more confusing than the reverse battle royal, and the match quality wasn't very good either, aside from the stuff with Black & Aries. Brodie Lee is not up to ROH standards, and drags everything down. Just a beyond horrible match.

Intermission: RIC FLAIR will be in NYC in June.

Bryan Danielson & COLT CABANA def. Bison Smith & JIMMY RAVE (w/Prince Nana & Dirty Ernie Osirus): Rave got a big pop when Nana called him out, and it was good to see him back in his "crown jewel" gimmick. He was, however, out of shape, with a small belly hanging over his tights. Must have been nice working with a T-Shirt for a year. Grizzly Redwood initially came out as Dragon's partner, to many groans from the crowd, but was quickly dispatched by Smith, leading to COLT CABANA hitting the ring, to by far the largest pop of the night. MEGA HEAT for the return. Match was ok, nothing special, but it wasn't about the match, it was about the surprise returns of the two former regulars. Post match, Cabana asked for "Final Countdown", and Colt & Dragon played to the crowd as they sung along.

D-Lo Brown def. Jay Briscoe: D-Lo cut a promo before the match, thanking WWE fro dropping him, and proclaiming ROH his new home. He turned heel during the match, using a low blow (no DQ this time, so why was Claudio DQ'd earlier? The Pearce booking is wildly incosistant), and won out of nowhere with a rollup while holding the tights. Underwhelming 80's style match with a lame 80's style finish. Crowd hated this.

Kevin Steen & El Generico def. Davey Richards & Eddie Edwards to retain ROH World Tag Titles: Awesome match, with Generico stealing the show. Apparently this was no DQ, and they went right to the chairs & ladders early. Too many crazy spots to keep up with. Generico was on fire, and nailed all of his daredevil spots. This match, along with the Colt Cabana/Jimmy Rave returns, make the DVD a MUST BUY if you are on the fence about the show. I'm not usually a star rating guy, but this was easily ****1/2 or ****3/4. Off the charts heat start to finish. Post match, Wolves got their heat back, and laid out Generico through a table before taping Steen to the ropes and killing him with a double chairshot. Match and angle were nothing short of awesome.

Nigel McGuinness def. KENTA to retain ROH World Title: KENTA immediately attacked the injured arm with high kicks & armbars. They worked this match slow, plus the previous match was hard to follow, so the match had little heat. Many people were leaving, which is baffling, because KENTA dosen't come around very often. Crazy. People weren't buying that KENTA could win, either. Despite these hurdles, the final 5 minutes were very good. KENTA pulled down the knee pad, and hit the GTS, but Nigel made the ropes on 2. Nigel missed a bunch of rebound jawbreakers, and countered at least three GTS attempts. Nigel hit his own GTS for a two count. KENTA survived multiple Tower Of London's and London Dungeon attempts. He eventually tapped after a hot sequence. Good match, would have been much better with a better crowd. I'd say ****.

A quick note....most of the guys had their old music back, but a few, most notably Castagnoli with his new classical song, and Nigel, still had the new generic stuff. Didn't look like a sellout, because they removed several rows of empty seats a few minutes before the show started. Overall, a nothing show pre intermission, which has been the case since Pearce took over the book. Show was saved by the awesome tag title match.

(W2BTD)

[JayDizzle]

RAW started off well enough with a cold opening featuring Ric Flair and Chris Jericho...

Flair boasted that he would be at Wrestlemania and after Piper, Steamboat and Snuka beat the shit out of Y2J, him and Mickey Rourke would celebrate about in the ring.

Jericho didn't take them thar words too kindly and proceded to bust Flair open hardway and let the "Nature Boy" bleed out of his head like a siv.


Like this but less cheerful and with a few more years to the old man...

...it's a given that Jericho's going to lose but here's hoping the "Man of 1,004 Holds" jobs in a serious way and not like some jobber for a cup of coffee.


"Me? Not a legend? Fuck that noise!"

EDIT: Also, Mr. Jericho stomped the fuck out of Ric Flair's retirement watch too... ya know, to get a rise out of the 50+ demographic.


Stomped

[JayDizzle]

<== Should write a blog about what he sees on TV...

So after a paint-by-numbers 8-man tag match featuring all the participants of the Money-in-the-Bank Ladder match, Jeff Hardy beating the fuck out of "Hi, I'm..." Dolph Ziggler and a recap of the latest Orton/HHH Feud, we get...

Edge's "wife" Vicky Guerrero back in a wheelchair after she was tossed around like a bag of rocks last Friday.

[JayDizzle]

Super-awesomely overbooked promo by HBK on the Undertaker a little earlier but the payoff was decent as Taker was visibly perturbed.

Dude had a look on his face like he was about to revert into "Big Evil" Mode, "...you will respect me!" and all.

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Also, I'm totally not digging how Jerry "The Pussy" Lawler had the nuts to challenge Jericho after he beat the fuck out of Flair... but didn't have the coconuts to fight for Flair beforehand.

ADDENDUM: Orton > Triple H FOREVER after tonight... holy fucking shit.

[BigBiss]

So I ussally would not do this but im so proud of this show and the had work that went into it and how well it came off

these are the results for ACW from this past weekend

Pre-Show Match - el Chupacabra (win) vs. Brent Masters

Match # 1 - Lucha Trios Match
Team El Paso: JC Hendrix, JT Smooth & Massive vs. Team Smurf: JC Bravo, Chingo Smurf & Berry Breeze (win)

Match # 2 - Young Guns U-30 Title Match
(order eliminated) Problems vs. Super-Electro vs. Champion Gary Jay (win & retain title)

Match # 3 - Davey Vega with Gary Jay vs. "Bio-Hazard" Jaykus Plisken (win)

Match # 4 - Alektra Blue with Team Smurf vs. Daizee Haze (win)

Match # 5 - Winner gets title shot - one fall to a finish
Rory Fox vs. Spiro (win) vs. Gregory Symonds

Match # 6 - Tag Team Match
Team Mo-Faux: Julio Garza & "Lunar Eclipse" Junior Garza vs. The Children of Pain: Jacob Ladder & Darin Childs with Jacob Ladder Jr. (win)

Match # 7 - Falls count anywhere, come as you are street fight
Daffney Unger vs. Rachel Summerlyn (win)

Match # 8 - Shawn Vexx vs. "One Man" Mike Dell (win)

Match # 9 - Tag Title Match
Challengers - The Submission Squad: Pierre Abernathy & Evan Gelistico vs. Champions - Jerry Lynn & "Mr. Showtime" Scot Summers (win & retain title)

Match # 10 - Main Event - Triple Threat for Heavyweight Title
Delirious vs. Masada vs. Champion JT LaMotta (win & retain title)

[Bigpapa42]

Nice card, Biss. I've seen a bit of Daizee Haze's stuff from Shimmer and like what I've seen so far. The main event looks like it would've been a real solid match.

Speaking of Lynn, there are some serious rumors right now that he'll win the ROH World title from McGuiness at one of the shows in Houston, most likely the first one. Nigel's arms are apparently in bad shape and he needs surgery on one or both, so he'll need some time off.

[BigBiss]

Nice card, Biss. I've seen a bit of Daizee Haze's stuff from Shimmer and like what I've seen so far. The main event looks like it would've been a real solid match.

Speaking of Lynn, there are some serious rumors right now that he'll win the ROH World title from McGuiness at one of the shows in Houston, most likely the first one. Nigel's arms are apparently in bad shape and he needs surgery on one or both, so he'll need some time off.

Haze is one of the nicest people i'v ever met. I think Lynns time would have been right be for the release of the wrestler,

The main event was incredibly good, JT is not well know but has done 2 tours with DDT in Japan.

[Bigpapa42]

Haze is one of the nicest people i'v ever met. I think Lynns time would have been right be for the release of the wrestler,

The main event was incredibly good, JT is not well know but has done 2 tours with DDT in Japan.

Cool that Haze is nice. She's damned cute.

Yeah, it would've been great for ROH to be able to capitalize right at that point with Lynn getting the belt. I'm not sure the time would've been right for Nigel to drop it though. Now, it seems time and his arm injuries don't leave them much choice. It sounds likely that Lynn would get a shot run before dropping it to someone else. Tyler Black, maybe?

I'll have to see if I can find a bit of LaMotta stuff online.

[BigBiss]

Yeah Black would be ok, im not big on the fact that he cant talk. But hes danm entertianing once he gets in the ring.

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