An Elite QB explains what an elite QB is on Twitter

[Cornelius]

..and again, the threads about Flacco you...you..you...what the hell are those furry things with mouths above my post ?

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[bucky]

Actually, r29j would call Johnson elite, because he won a SB.

And he did it all by himself. You know, when I think of the Bucs from that era, I automatically think of Brad Johnson.

Yeah, and if Brad Johnson would have had replacement refs instead of those terrible union refs, he would have won a few more Super Bowls, right W2B?

 

[bucky]

The guy was the most accurate passer you've ever seen and arguably the quickest release you've ever seen. Marino and Warner are the only guys in that discussion.

Aaron Rodgers.

Montana , Aikman , Warner. For whatever absurd reason those guys were nearly unstoppable in the playoffs.

Bart Starr.

Just thought I'd add some guys to your lists.

 

[Glenbino]

Not like it's a tell-all but Aikman's place on this list is pretty interesting IMO..

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/av_career.htm

Don't worry Troy... You almost had as good of a career as Warrick Dunn :shotsfired:

 

[Glenbino]

Some systems just work...
For example: NE offensive line made their back ups look awesome
GB: Look at what Flynn was able to do
Texans: made a playoff run with their 3rd string QB and his name wasn't Willie Beamen
Cards/hawks: Currently is dependent on a power run game with intermediate passes.. damn near anybody could manage that offense
Ravens: haven't changed

To me an elite QB does more than manage the game. The ultimately make the difference. Fortunately enough Dallas 3 stars went to the HoF so Jimmy Johnson had the perfect formula to make them work. After he left they already had their game play down and kept it up.

But honestly Brady is an above average QB but judging from his O-Line where other QB's has been successful I'd say 10 of 10 times that Peyton is better. Peyton is elite. For the sake that I am a Cowboys fan I see no benefit for me naming my QB (imo he's not elite) but looking at the league now in 2012 the only standing elite QB is Peyton. The last elite QB to be in the league was Warner.

What is this even based on? Put Manning behind some of those Pittsburgh O-Lines over the past 10 seasons and see if he has two titles like Big Ben or breaks his neck 4 years earlier.

Manning did a great job in Indy but I don't see anything that puts him far and away ahead of Brady. He was surrounded by talent on offense, including a pretty good offensive line of his own during his prime years, while Brady was winning making Deion Branch millions of dollars.

 

[Rip]

Not like it's a tell-all but Aikman's place on this list is pretty interesting IMO..

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/av_career.htm

Don't worry Troy... You almost had as good of a career as Warrick Dunn :shotsfired:

Notice Fran Tarkenton and his position? Hell yeah

 

[bucky]

Notice Fran Tarkenton and his position? Hell yeah

What criteria are they using that Starr is close to 160? Can't take this seriously.

 

[Rip]

What criteria are they using that Starr is close to 160? Can't take this seriously.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=466

 

[bucky]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=466

How much weight do they give to playoffs vs regular season. Go look at Starr's playoff numbers. He's not 160ish on a list. Sorry can't take the list seriously. Regular season gets you to the playoffs, but for me, post season play trumps regular season play.

That's why I wouldn't have Favre on the top of an all time career list. Again, I can't take this list seriously.

 

[Glenbino]

How much weight do they give to playoffs vs regular season. Go look at Starr's playoff numbers. He's not 160ish on a list. Sorry can't take the list seriously. Regular season gets you to the playoffs, but for me, post season play trumps regular season play.

That's why I wouldn't have Favre on the top of an all time career list. Again, I can't take this list seriously.

I don't think anyone does. Football SABR stats are pretty much useless.

That said didn't Bart Starr play when there were only like 12 teams? Were the negroes even allowed to play back then? :troll:

 

[ram29jackson]

I don't think anyone does. Football SABR stats are pretty much useless.

That said didn't Bart Starr play when there were only like 12 teams? Were the negroes even allowed to play back then? :troll:

only 12 teams means better/tighter competition

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The profootballreference FanEloRater is not any kind of "SABR" metric, it's a stupid fan generated ranking. Anybody can vote, just click the vote link, and you will be presented with a pair of players. Pick the one you think is "better", and they are given points while the "loser" is deducted points. That's how players move up and down the list.

It started on the baseballreference site, where it works much better because players are more easily comparable. How the hell are you supposed to compare a QB to LT or a K to a SS? It's stupid, it doesn't work, and the rankings are wacky.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Aaron Rodgers.




Bart Starr.

Just thought I'd add some guys to your lists.

Aaron is pretty close. But those 3 had uncanny accuracy and releases.
Agreed on Starr his postseason numbers are sick.

 

[NAHSTE]

The profootballreference FanEloRater is not any kind of "SABR" metric, it's a stupid fan generated ranking. Anybody can vote, just click the vote link, and you will be presented with a pair of players. Pick the one you think is "better", and they are given points while the "loser" is deducted points. That's how players move up and down the list.

It started on the baseballreference site, where it works much better because players are more easily comparable. How the hell are you supposed to compare a QB to LT or a K to a SS? It's stupid, it doesn't work, and the rankings are wacky.

Why are you doing this?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Ooops, nevermind, Glen linked the AVR, which is different. But that sucks too.

 

[steeljake]

since when was Troy Aikman an elite qb?

 

[dave]

since when was Troy Aikman an elite qb?

It pains me to say this ... but I agree with Steeljake, I don't see Aikman as an elite qb. But I also don't see him as overrated.

He had a great career and won Super Bowls.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Pretty amazing what a team thrashing your favorite team for years will do to your perception.

An Eagles, Steeler, and Viking fan calling Aikman overrated. Whoulda thunk it. Combined 0-4 during the 90s playoffs would probably sour me on praise also.

:lalala:

It pains me to say this ... but I agree with Steeljake, I don't see Aikman as an elite qb. But I also don't see him as overrated.

He had a great career and won Super Bowls.

Read more: http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com...an-elite-QB-is-on-Twitter/page8#ixzz27viwX7nU

Where are people rating him that hes overrated ?


Hes the winningest QB of the decade he played. 3 superbowl rings 11-4 playoff record , SB MVP and a first ballot HOF inductee. Anyone not saying elite needs there head examined.

 

[Houston]

Second to players using Twitter, "Expert" football analyst debating who's "Elite" and who's not is my least favorite trend in the NFL right now.

What happened to Brees, Rodgers, and Brady? They represent majority of the Mount Rushmore of QB's and can't even get a mention on Kurt Warner's top 5 QB's of the week. Not a good look for their Hall of Fame resumes.

 

[Rip]

Pretty amazing what a team thrashing your favorite team for years will do to your perception.

An Eagles, Steeler, and Viking fan calling Aikman overrated. Whoulda thunk it. Combined 0-4 during the 90s playoffs would probably sour me on praise also.

:lalala:



Where are people rating him that hes overrated ?


Hes the winningest QB of the decade he played. 3 superbowl rings 11-4 playoff record , SB MVP and a first ballot HOF inductee. Anyone not saying elite needs there head examined.

Oh, you caught us. We're hating on Aikman because of our teams. Get real, dude.

It's convenient to say elite equals winning when you've got the the second best line around you, the leading rusher of all time, one of the greatest wr's of all time, one of the greater fullbacks of all time, and a top 10 defense of all time. Hell, he even had a pro bowl tight end.

If he could only manage an 81.6 qb rating with the Cowboys then you know damn well it'd be even worse, much worse, with another team. He holds records for having low qb ratings in the superbowl with arguably the greatest dynasty. He simply cannot do what he did without that team and to think otherwise has no backing.