Ben Wallace Hints At Retirement

[Kuzzy Powers]

i say we give it a few more posts and then bail if we still haven't made progress. we've come this far...

Believe me.. theres zero hope with FT. This guy is as hard headed as they come.

 

[FirstTimer]

you are truly something... first you say he didn't deserve any of his awards because he was the product of his system. then you use them as "proof" for his drop-off once the stats show that there wasn't much drop-off.

I never said he didn't deserve any of his awards. Find me that quote.

I said his accolades in Detroit were overrated in retrospect because of the system he played in and his complete lack of production thereafter.

btw, does 6th in the voting count for being "in the discussion" for DPOY?

No.

Are you a moron? The 2006 stats I posted were from his first year in Chicago, and are not even that much of a decline from the year before in Detroit. If you're so fucking moronic as to even see that then I dont know what to tell you.

It's still a decline. I don't give a fuck by how much.

2006 awards=2005-2006 season.

Look at what he did in his last year in Detroit.

Look at what he did immedietly afterwards.

Notice the drop off the face off the earth and not some "slow decline"?

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I never said he didn't deserve any of his awards. Find me that quote.

I said his accolades in Detroit were overrated in retrospect because of the system he played in and his complete lack of production thereafter.



No.



It's still a decline. I don't give a fuck by how much.

2006 awards=2005-2006 season.

Look at what he did in his last year in Detroit.

Look at what he did immedietly afterwards.

Notice the drop off the face off the earth and not some "slow decline"?

Look at the god damn numbers you fool. The decline from his last year in Detroit and his first year in Chicago arent dramatic, but they do fall in with the STEADY DECLINE we've been trying to tell you about for the last hour! Its the drop in his 2nd year in Chicago that is actually more dramatic than anything else.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

This shit is absolutely ridiculous anyways. The mere fact that you're calling a 4 time DPOY award winner, a 4 time 1st-team all-defensive player, a 1 time all-defensive 2nd team player (WITH THE FUCKING BULLS NO LESS) overrated is ridiculous. Beyond everything else.. the mere fact that the NBA and everyone recognized this guy as a great defender and you're not just shows how foolishly hard-headed you are.

 

[FirstTimer]

Look at the god damn numbers you fool. The decline from his last year in Detroit and his first year in Chicago arent dramatic, but they do fall in with the STEADY DECLINE we've been trying to tell you about for the last hour! Its the drop in his 2nd year in Chicago that is actually more dramatic than anything else.

I've seen the numbers. I've looked at them. I lived them because I actually watched Wallace play in Chicago.....

If they "aren't that dramatic" then why the complete fall off the map awards wise? Oh yeah, maybe because Wallace finally got exposed in Chicago for what he truly was. A good defender that was unfoundedly labeled as "great" while playing with the Pistons and by definition an overrated product of the system.

Gee...

This shit is absolutely ridiculous anyways. The mere fact that you're calling a 4 time DPOY award winner, a 4 time 1st-team all-defensive player, a 1 time all-defensive 2nd team player (WITH THE FUCKING BULLS NO LESS) overrated is ridiculous. Beyond everything else.. the mere fact that the NBA and everyone recognized this guy as a great defender and you're not just shows how foolishly hard-headed you are.

Oh wow a 2nd Team All NBA Defense a year after sweeping the league wide defensive awards. Man. What a stud.

/sarcasm.

 

[FirstTimer]

i thought that was you that said it, but it was someone else. congrats for being right for the first time in this thread!

Look at what he did in his last year in Detroit.
11.3 rebounds, 1.8 steals, 2.2 blocks, 1st team all NBA, #1 DPOY
Look at what he did immedietly afterwards.
10.7 rebounds, 1.4 steals, 2.0 blocks, 2nd team all NBA, #6 DPOY
Notice the drop off the face off the earth and not some "slow decline"?
please tell me you aren't fucking serious. I BEG YOU. if this is all a joke, you got me and you got me good. seriously

Yes I'm serious. No All Star appearance No DPOTY LOL at being #6. Who cares? Who was 6th in this years award? Chris Paul. Was ANYONE even mentioning him as a serious contender? No 1st Team All NBA Defense,

So yes, I'm serious.

 

[mfbmike]

Ben Wallace is the best undrafted player to ever play in the NBA.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I've seen the numbers. I've looked at them. I lived them because I actually watched Wallace play in Chicago.....

If they "aren't that dramatic" then why the complete fall off the map awards wise? Oh yeah, maybe because Wallace finally got exposed in Chicago for what he truly was. A good defender that was unfoundedly labeled as "great" while playing with the Pistons and by definition an overrated product of the system.

Gee...




Oh wow a 2nd Team All NBA Defense a year after sweeping the league wide defensive awards. Man. What a stud.

/sarcasm.

How does 2nd Team All NBA translate into as falling off the map? Are you fucking serious? 10 people in the entire NBA get named to those teams. Are you really this fucking dense or do you do it for shtick?

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Yes I'm serious. No All Star appearance No DPOTY LOL at being #6. Who cares? Who was 6th in this years award? Chris Paul. Was ANYONE even mentioning him as a serious contender? No 1st Team All NBA Defense,

So yes, I'm serious.

Chris Paul isnt a great defender? Wow @ you trying to use that to your advantage.

Miserable fail.

 

[FirstTimer]

How does 2nd Team All NBA translate into as falling off the map? Are you fucking serious? 10 people in the entire NBA get named to those teams. Are you really this fucking dense or do you do it for shtick?

When the year before you sweep the defensive player of the year awards, make an All NBA First Team, and make the All-Star team, then the next season you get a 2nd Team All NBA defense and NOTHING else when in years past you had won the DPOTY award 4 times made 4 All NBA First teams and made ALl Star games..... Yes, that's falling off the map.

Chris Paul isnt a great defender? Wow @ you trying to use that to your advantage.

Miserable fail.

I never said he wasn't a great defender. I never even alluded to it. Do you even know the context of why he was brought up???

Do you? Or are you just high and randmoly posting shit?

Me: Wallace wasn't in consideration for the DPOTY award after he left Detroit.

mbuser: He finished 6th one season. Does that count as being in consideration?

Me: No. Chris Paul finished 6th this season. Was ANYONE even mentioning him as a serious contender for this years award? No.

So as you can see, I never mentioned Chris Paul's ability or inability to play defense. Just that finishing in 6th place for the DPOTY award is not "serious consideration" for the award because no one ever mentioned him as a serious contender for the award.

Chris Paul is a very good defensive player, but was not in serious consideration for the DPOTY award this season. The bolded was ALL that was stated.

EPIC FAIL on your part in understanding what the hell was being talked about.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

No, epic fail on your part for considering finishing 6th NOT in consideration for the award. And and even larger fail by using Paul as your example because Paul is an elite defender.

But larger fail by you in general for even starting this argument. You thought you would be cool and say something stupid and you've been owned numerous times in this thread because of it. Basically all you've eluded to is that Ben Wallace wasnt as good a defender in Chicago as he was in Detroit, which is obvious. This doesnt translate into him being overrated at all. You're now just going in circles as you've done hundreds of times in your time at MM and VSN. You love doing this, even when it makes you look like a complete moron, which it has in this instance.

I am now done with you as it relates to this argument. The magnitude of your hardheadedness has reached its peak.

 

[FirstTimer]

No, epic fail on your part for considering finishing 6th NOT in consideration for the award. And and even larger fail by using Paul as your example because Paul is an elite defender.

Wow. Just wow.

No, finishing in 6th place and getting ONE first place vote is not being in "serious consideration" for the DPOTY Award.

What the fuck does Paul being an elite defender have to do with anything? Now I'm convinced you're stoned because I laid out the convo for you line by line and you still didn't get it.

Yes Chris Paul is an elite defender. Was he in serious consideration for winning the DPOTY award this year? No. He finshed 6th and got ONE first place vote. That doesn't mean he isn't an elite defender. It's not a commentary on his defensive ability. All that it comments on is his NOT being in serious consideration to win the award based on where he finished in the voting. That's it.

My God. It's not really that difficult Cheech.

Carmelo Anthony didn't even finish in the Top 12 for the MVP Race this year. Is he still an elite player? Yes. Was he in serious consideration for the MVP award this year? No. See how one has NOTHING to do with the other?

Basically all you've eluded to is that Ben Wallace wasnt as good a defender in Chicago as he was in Detroit, which is obvious.

I dodged what?

This doesnt translate into him being overrated at all.

Yes it does. Just because your stoned ass doesn't understand the point doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

You're not just going in circles as you've done hundreds of times in your time at MM and VSN. You love doing this, even when it makes you look like a complete moron, which it has in this instance.

Actually it hasn't. But nice try compeltely missing the point over and over and over and over again.

I am now done with you as it relates to this argument. The magnitude of your hardheadedness has reached its peak.

Kid, you were done as soon as your fingers touched the keyboard.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

You were done as soon as you came out of your mothers womb.. because idiocy like this is obviously genetic. There was zero hope for you from the beginning.

And good job trying to call me a stoner, too. Maybe you should consider smoking some weed yourself, you wouldnt constantly act like something was stuck in your rectum.

Just because your ignorant self refuses to acknowledge what the whole basketball world has doesnt mean you are correct on anything. Infact, everything you've said in this thread has been of the idiotic variety. Not a single thing you've said has been useful towards your own argument, thats how bad it is.

Ill await your "you're too stoned to understand" reply and ill laugh at it like ive done at every single post in this thread. You've proven to me time and time again that your basketball knowledge is inept every single time ive discussed the game with you. Luckily I am stoned or you would give me a headache.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

And just incase your moronic self fails to realize it, yet again.. using Paul as an example was brutal because he proves you can finish 6th, in YOUR opinion, not be considered for the award.. and yet.. wait for it.. wait for it.. CAN STILL BE A GREAT DEFENDER. Translation: Wallace finishing 6th for the award doesnt equal him falling off the face of the earth, nor does being on the all-NBA 2nd defensive team. GREAT DEFENDERS FINISH IN THESE POSITIONS EVERY FUCKING YEAR.

I guess Ben Wallace, who was winning awards for a half decade prior to that.. is the exception to that. Gotcha.

Jesus Christ I feel bad for your wife when you guys fight.

 

[FedEx227]

Ben Wallace is the best undrafted player to ever play in the NBA.

Bruce Bowen does not approve of this message.

 

[FirstTimer]

You were done as soon as you came out of your mothers womb.. because idiocy like this is obviously genetic. There was zero hope for you from the beginning.

And good job trying to call me a stoner, too. Maybe you should consider smoking some weed yourself, you wouldnt constantly act like something was stuck in your rectum.

Just because your ignorant self refuses to acknowledge what the whole basketball world has doesnt mean you are correct on anything. Infact, everything you've said in this thread has been of the idiotic variety. Not a single thing you've said has been useful towards your own argument, thats how bad it is.

Ill await your "you're too stoned to understand" reply and ill laugh at it like ive done at every single post in this thread. You've proven to me time and time again that your basketball knowledge is inept every single time ive discussed the game with you. Luckily I am stoned or you would give me a headache.

I thought you were done?

I don't think I ever called you a stoner. Just accused you of being high, stoned, and then called you Cheech. Paranoid much?

How would you know if it's been useful? You don't even understand it. I point out you don't understand it and show how and why you don't and launch into some parapgraphed response about how I haven't made a point. Ignoring the fact that you can't even comprehend things at the most basic level.


Still waiting on Barg to come around?

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Its "Bargs" not Barg. And not that I would expect you to know, because you've proven time and again to know shit about the NBA, but he had a fucking nice season and is coming around just fine.

 

[FirstTimer]

Its "Bargs" not Barg. And not that I would expect you to know, because you've proven time and again to know shit about the NBA, but he had a fucking nice season and is coming around just fine.

"Done Post" +2.

Aww is he? That's good for him. That's why everyone is sleeping on him.

I don't know shit about the NBA yet I was explaining NBA Draft Day trade rules to you last week?

ha!

"Done Post" +3 coming soon?

We shall see.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

"Done Post" +2.

Aww is he? That's good for him. That's why everyone is sleeping on him.

I don't know shit about the NBA yet I was explaining NBA Draft Day trade rules to you last week?

ha!

"Done Post" +3 coming soon?

We shall see.

Uhhh what? Are you really this fucking retarded? Go back and re-read the thread, you werent explaining a damn thing to me. Wow @ you even trying to bring this up.

My god are you ever retarded. Now I feel sorry for your wife AND your parents. Id say your friends too but you probably lack those if you're this hard-headed in real life.

 

[FirstTimer]

Uhhh what? Are you really this fucking retarded? Go back and re-read the thread, you werent explaining a damn thing to me. Wow @ you even trying to bring this up.

I did.

You had no clue and I was advancing theories and ideas based upon my understood explanation of it during the draft. You had no idea either way. yeah you really know a ton!

My god are you ever retarded. Now I feel sorry for your wife AND your parents. Id say your friends too but you probably lack those if you're this hard-headed in real life.

My wife? I'm not married.

Hmm.

"Done Post" +4 coming?

Come on. Give it to me Bobby.