Biogenesis Thread: Founder turns himself in

[Hasselbeck]

Seriously, the Calcaterra's & Sheehan's & Law's of the world who constitution hug, jump through hoops to defend these guys, and play the contrarian role can get fucked. Way too much smoke surrounding Braun for their to be no fire.

Ryan Braun cheated. Anybody who thinks otherwise is either incredibly naive, beyond ignorant, or doing a gimmick for attention.

Is it too late to retroactively name Matt Kemp the 2011 MVP?

 

[NAHSTE]

Why? They need proof that he took PED's. His name on a piece of paper with numbers next to them isn't enough evidence to suspend him.

They actually only need proof he purchased them. That alone is an actionable offense per the drug policy which was collectively bargained and agreed upon by the player's union.

 

[Primetime]

They actually only need proof he purchased them. That alone is an actionable offense per the drug policy which was collectively bargained and agreed upon by the player's union.

Sadly, reports are saying it's hard to suspend this way.

 

[EmpireWF]

Sadly, reports are saying it's hard to suspend this way.

How so? They've suspended players in the past for purchasing banned substances. If their investigation proves that, seems pretty simple.

 

[Primetime]

How so? They've suspended players in the past for purchasing banned substances. If their investigation proves that, seems pretty simple.

I watched a video, forget where, saying it was extremely unlikely he will be suspended from this because so much has to be done to do so. I'll post it if I can find it later.

 

[SuperKevin]

I'm stocked up and ready to try to get Ryan Braun suspended.

 

[Goober]

MIAMI -- Five more professional baseball players have connections to a South Florida clinic at the heart of a widening doping scandal, according to documents obtained by "Outside the Lines."

The new players listed in documents from the Biogenesis of America clinic run by Anthony Bosch: San Diego Padres shortstop Everth Cabrera, 26, the reigning National League stolen base champion; Jordan Norberto, 26, a lefty reliever with the Oakland A's; Fernando Martinez, 24, a Houston Astros outfielder; Fautino De Los Santos, 27, a reliever claimed off waivers by the Padres, and Cesar Puello, 21, a top Mets outfield prospect.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...rugs-investigation-link-five-baseball-players

 

[Youk]

According to two sources familiar with Bosch's operation, however, the Washington Nationals' Gio Gonzalez, previously identified as being named in Biogenesis documents, did not receive banned substances from Bosch or the clinic.

Both sources, speaking independently, identified Gonzalez as the only Bosch client named thus far who did not receive performance-enhancing drugs. A document obtained by "Outside the Lines" bolsters their case: On a computer printout of clients, Gonzalez, identified by the code name "Gladiator," is said to have received $1,000 worth of substances, but under "notes" are several substances not banned by Major League Baseball: "gluthetyn" (which a source said was a misspelling of glutathione), "IM [intramuscular] shots," and amino acids.

 

[EmpireWF]

F-Mart & Puello spent parts of last season injured (course Martinez has arthritic knees at this point). Getting in touch with the crooked doc looking to help ailments improve faster? :smh:

 

[NAHSTE]

Is it too late to retroactively name Matt Kemp the 2011 MVP?

Should have been the MVP either way.

:tiptoe:

 

[SuperKevin]

Gio Gonzalez is no cheater

 

[Goober]

Gio Gonzalez is no cheater

Gio is cheater for life bro. We've already jumped to conclusions, you can't say anything to change my mind.

 

[Youk]

Should have been the MVP either way.

:tiptoe:

:yep:

And he did it clean...as far as we know.

 

[NAHSTE]

Gio is cheater for life bro. We've already jumped to conclusions, you can't say anything to change my mind.

Except...

FWIW, nothing Gio is listed as having received from that doctor is on the banned list.

We already knew he was presumed to be innocent.

 

[Youk]

Dude was taking amino acids. Fuck him.

 

[Mogriffjr]

Rumor round town is that a certain Yankee NOT named Arod is coming down the chute...

 

[ThomasTomasz]

We're about to have plenty of :shotsfired: I think

Relating to the news from Tuesday morning that the DEA busted several people with ties to the notorious Biogenesis clinic, another report from T.J. Quinn of ESPN has surfaced, and could affect the 2014 MLB season in a big way.


That's all we have to go on. It would be reckless to start throwing out names right now (and, I'm sorry, but it's utterly ridiculous to just pick, for example, the top power hitters and claim they are using just because they are good), so instead we just wait. And hope it's not too many. And hope the size of the black eye this gives baseball is minimal.

The fallout could well be significant this season. It's possible there are several guys playing important parts on contending teams who are among the names to be revealed. If that's the case, the pennant races and even the postseason will be altered from where they were previously headed.

I'm finding myself with two strong emotions here that are possibly conflicting. On one hand, this completely sucks. There is already a ridiculous double-standard when it comes to the consensus opinion baseball players "juicing" compared to, say, the NFL. If there are some big names that surface from this investigation, it hurts the sport even further on this front. It also means players have been gaming the system and beating drug tests.

On the other hand, if players were cheating the system, they shouldn't be spared. They should be punished just like Nelson Cruz and Ryan Braun and Jhonny Peralta and a host of others were.

So I guess it's "rip off the band-aid" time, right? Let's just hear the names, be disappointed and move on.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...ers-to-be-named-in-connection-with-biogenesis

 

[Slateman]

Can't wait for the names. Seriously, it's like Christmas.