Blind BCS Poll

[RobbyB34]

I was looking at Georgia's schedule to see who they've beaten other than Florida to be ranked so high, and here is what I found...

Sat, Sep 1 Buffalo W 45-23 --
Sat, Sep 8 at Missouri W 41-20 --
Sat, Sep 15 Florida Atlantic W 56-20 --
Sat, Sep 22 Vanderbilt W 48-3 --
Sat, Sep 29 Tennessee W 51-44 --
Sat, Oct 6 at (6) South Carolina L 7-35 --
Sat, Oct 20 at Kentucky W 29-24 --
Sat, Oct 27 (2) Florida W 17-9 --
Sat, Nov 3 Mississippi W 37-10 --
Sat, Nov 10 at Auburn 7:00 pm --
Sat, Nov 17 Georgia Southern 1:30 pm --
Sat, Nov 24 Georgia Tech TBA

Wow, thats a ridiculously easy schedule. Buffalo, Georgia Southern, FAU? The SEC portion of the schedule is almost as easy...Kentucky, Vandy, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mizzou...????

So why are you talking shit about UGA? I believe if you want to go our best against your best, we would win everytime. And plus. We are the second best team as of right now in our division... Who is your second best?

 

[JeremyHight]

I don't see how anyone can question the SEC. I just don't. It might be a down year for them, but even then, they are still the deepest, strongest conference in the game right now. No one can argue otherwise, so lets just move on.

As for actual games, I think ND has been winning, but not nearly as convincing as other teams. I laughed when I saw Jayrock try to compare ND's performance against Michigan to Alabama's. Bama was up 31-0 in the first half before Michigan could ever do anything at a neutral site. They ended up winning 41-14 in a clear rout without any question as to who the better team was. ND played Michigan at South Bend and won 13-6. Ya, they might have held Michigan to less points, but only by 8 points less and it was a one score game. Not nearly as impressive in any way.

I won't bash ND, they have won against every team they've faced. But right now in the BCS, its all about style points with voters and computers. ND gets 0 style points for going to triple overtime against an awful Pitt team (that they should have lost to if not for a shank in OT by the Pitt kicker). You can say "They'd match up great against..." or "They could beat..." but they won't be able to prove that in any major bowl unless other teams start losing or they start looking impressive consistently (ie. the Oklahoma performance).

 

[Senser81]

So why are you talking shit about UGA? I believe if you want to go our best against your best, we would win everytime. And plus. We are the second best team as of right now in our division... Who is your second best?

What are you talking about? Who is my best? Who is my division?

Someone said that Notre Dame hasn't played anyone outside of a couple games. I said the same thing about Georgia.

 

[Senser81]

As for actual games, I think ND has been winning, but not nearly as convincing as other teams. I laughed when I saw Jayrock try to compare ND's performance against Michigan to Alabama's. Bama was up 31-0 in the first half before Michigan could ever do anything at a neutral site. They ended up winning 41-14 in a clear rout without any question as to who the better team was. ND played Michigan at South Bend and won 13-6. Ya, they might have held Michigan to less points, but only by 8 points less and it was a one score game. Not nearly as impressive in any way.

I won't bash ND, they have won against every team they've faced. But right now in the BCS, its all about style points with voters and computers. ND gets 0 style points for going to triple overtime against an awful Pitt team (that they should have lost to if not for a shank in OT by the Pitt kicker). You can say "They'd match up great against..." or "They could beat..." but they won't be able to prove that in any major bowl unless other teams start losing or they start looking impressive consistently (ie. the Oklahoma performance).

I agree, but you can say the same "start looking impressive consistently" mantra for a number of SEC teams previously mentioned in this thread...S. Carolina, Florida, LSU, Georgia.

 

[FirstTimer]

I don't see how anyone can question the SEC. I just don't. It might be a down year for them, but even then, they are still the deepest, strongest conference in the game right now. No one can argue otherwise, so lets just move on.

As for actual games, I think ND has been winning, but not nearly as convincing as other teams. I laughed when I saw Jayrock try to compare ND's performance against Michigan to Alabama's. Bama was up 31-0 in the first half before Michigan could ever do anything at a neutral site. They ended up winning 41-14 in a clear rout without any question as to who the better team was. ND played Michigan at South Bend and won 13-6. Ya, they might have held Michigan to less points, but only by 8 points less and it was a one score game. Not nearly as impressive in any way.

I won't bash ND, they have won against every team they've faced. But right now in the BCS, its all about style points with voters and computers. ND gets 0 style points for going to triple overtime against an awful Pitt team (that they should have lost to if not for a shank in OT by the Pitt kicker). You can say "They'd match up great against..." or "They could beat..." but they won't be able to prove that in any major bowl unless other teams start losing or they start looking impressive consistently (ie. the Oklahoma performance).

:walker:

Wut?

 

[Jayrock]

I don't see how anyone can question the SEC. I just don't. It might be a down year for them, but even then, they are still the deepest, strongest conference in the game right now. No one can argue otherwise, so lets just move on.

How do you know this? They don't play anybody outside of themselves.

Alabama beat LSU who has beaten........ USCe at home? USCe has beaten..... Georgia at home? Georgia has beaten.... Florida? Florida has beaten.... LSU at home?

Do you see the viscous cycle? SEC teams beat each other, but stay ranked in the top 10. ACC/Pac 12/Big 12 teams beat each other and drop 10 spots.

 

[NAHSTE]

ACC/Pac 12/Big 12 teams beat each other and drop 10 spots.

Because in their OOC games, teams from those conferences are routinely seen either A. losing to SEC opponents, usually by a lot (see: Michigan, Washington, Arizona State, NC State, etc.) or B. losing to shitty mid-major or FCS opponents (see: Illinois, Penn State, Iowa, Georgia Tech, Virginia, etc.)

Shocking, if you don't prove you can beat good teams, and occasionally lose to bad teams, you eventually start to lose national respect.

As for the OOC schedule? ND could have beaten the ACC (Miami), Big 12 (Oklahoma), Pac 12 (USC) champions by the end of the year.

LOL at this. Miami has FOUR wins vs FBS programs this season. Huge leap to suggest they'll win the ACC. And I'm not sure what's the bigger leap here, your assumption that the Irish are walking out of the coliseum with a W, or the assumption that USC will even qualify for their conference title game, much less win it.

You've really dissuaded me though, yeah. As I said before, Notre Dame's resume comes down to a close win vs Stanford, a great win over OU in Norman, and then a slew of ACC/Big Ten trash.

Someone said that Notre Dame hasn't played anyone outside of a couple games. I said the same thing about Georgia.

Which brings us full circle. Obviously Georgia's schedule is kind of a joke, it's the softest SEC slate you could possibly have. As Steve Spurrier has so willingly reminded us over the last few months, they somehow dodged both Bama and LSU.

But ... if we're going to say "they haven't played anybody" (which, they haven't) ... we also have to acknowledge that Notre Dame has only played 2 "good" teams to date.

 

[FirstTimer]

Because in their OOC games, teams from those conferences are routinely seen either A. losing to SEC opponents, usually by a lot (see: Michigan, Washington, Arizona State, NC State, etc.) or B. losing to shitty mid-major or FCS opponents (see: Illinois, Penn State, Iowa, Georgia Tech, Virginia, etc.)

Shocking, if you don't prove you can beat good teams, and occasionally lose to bad teams, you eventually start to lose national respect.



LOL at this. Miami has FOUR wins vs FBS programs this season. Huge leap to suggest they'll win the ACC. And I'm not sure what's the bigger leap here, your assumption that the Irish are walking out of the coliseum with a W, or the assumption that USC will even qualify for their conference title game, much less win it.

You've really dissuaded me though, yeah. As I said before, Notre Dame's resume comes down to a close win vs Stanford, a great win over OU in Norman, and then a slew of ACC/Big Ten trash.

He didn't assume anything.

He said "could"

Read better.

 

[Jayrock]

LOL at this. Miami has FOUR wins vs FBS programs this season. Huge leap to suggest they'll win the ACC. And I'm not sure what's the bigger leap here, your assumption that the Irish are walking out of the coliseum with a W, or the assumption that USC will even qualify for their conference title game, much less win it.

You've really dissuaded me though, yeah. As I said before, Notre Dame's resume comes down to a close win vs Stanford, a great win over OU in Norman, and then a slew of ACC/Big Ten trash.

Miami is leading their division in the ACC. ND has a solid shot to beat USC.

Yet ND couldn't stay within two TDs of LSU? Come on man. You say ND's resume comes down to a close win vs Stanford and a great win at OU.

What's LSU's resume?

A close win vs USCe and a win @ an overrated A&M team?

Those two ND wins are better than ANY SEC team's two wins. That "slew of ACC/Big Ten trash" is better than the slew of Sun Belt/SEC trash that the SEC goes through.

So thank you for proving my point. Take the names and conferences away from the teams, and 60% of people think ND should be in the title game.

 

[NAHSTE]

He didn't assume anything.

He said "could"

Read better.

That is a really dumb way to frame an argument though, and you know this. FT, not sure why you are doing this. JayRock, I understand, because he's a clown, but you should know better.

(Sorry to use the "dave" tone on you.)

 

[Senser81]

or the assumption that USC will even qualify for their conference title game, much less win it.

Sounds like 2012 Florida and 2012 LSU...or 2011 Alabama.

 

[NAHSTE]

Oh yeah I forgot Texas A&M, which would also beat Notre Dame.

 

[Jayrock]

Because in their OOC games, teams from those conferences are routinely seen either A. losing to SEC opponents, usually by a lot (see: Michigan, Washington, Arizona State, NC State, etc.) or B. losing to shitty mid-major or FCS opponents (see: Illinois, Penn State, Iowa, Georgia Tech, Virginia, etc.)

Shocking, if you don't prove you can beat good teams, and occasionally lose to bad teams, you eventually start to lose national respect.

OU lost to #4 Notre Dame (by 17) and #2 Kansas State (by 4), they are ranked 12th.

LSU lost to #1 Alabama (by 4) and #6 Florida (by 7), they are ranked 7th.

USCe lost to #6 Florida (by 33) and #7 LSU (by 2), they are ranked 8th.

Clemson lost to #10 Florida State (by 12), they are ranked 13th.

Am I painting the picture clear enough?

 

[FirstTimer]

That is a really dumb way to frame an argument though, and you know this.

I suppose? But your end statement of

"As I said before, Notre Dame's resume comes down to a close win vs Stanford, a great win over OU in Norman, and then a slew of ACC/Big Ten trash.


"

Could kind of be said for basically each team at the top except for KState who IMO has played the toughest schedule of the 4 as we see it now.

Oregon and Bama each basically have 1 or 2 good wins then wins over poopdick teams. Look, I'm not disagreeing that Notre Dame's schedule hasn't gotten "softer" than it looked preseason(Mich, MSU, and BYU under performing hurt a lot) or even that I expect them to run the table(I don't.) but ripping apart ND's schedule post mortum is kind of lame because going into the season people basically lolled at it and 8 wins seemed like the best possible result.


FWIW I don't think ND ends up undefeated. And I agree with Jesse Palmer, ND has been the least impressive of the undefeated just from the standpoint that they are the most inconsistent from an offensive perspective. At this point I'm just enjoying the ride. Whatever happens, happens. In either case what's important to me is that the program is heading in the right direction in a lot of ways to sustain/build on this success for years to come.

ND's only real hope of getting into the NCG is K-State losing. I think if Oregon and ND are ranked side by side at the end of the year and undefeated the CPU's would end up favoring ND enough to push them past Oregon if they had a one slot advantage in the polls.

That's all kind of pointless though. Each of the 4 teams has a case (if they win out) to go to the NCG. Is ND's the "weakest"? I don't know. We will see. Like I said, I'm just enjoying the ride at this point.

 

[NAHSTE]

Michigan? Denard would torch our secondary and run through the swiss cheese defense. We forced 6 turnovers and didn't allow a TD (and Alabama allowed 2).

This is a strong troll job by JayRock right here. Strong stuff.

Hey you guys, Notre Dame's 13-6 over Michigan was way more impressive than Alabama's 41-14 win in a game that was over at the end of the first quarter.

 

[FirstTimer]

Oh yeah I forgot Texas A&M, which would also beat Notre Dame.

SEC homers gonna homer.

 

[Jayrock]

This is a strong troll job by JayRock right here. Strong stuff.

Hey you guys, Notre Dame's 13-6 over Michigan was way more impressive than Alabama's 41-14 win in a game that was over at the end of the first quarter.

Oh that's what I said?

Pardon me, I just thought the SEC (Bama) was the God of defense... except ND played better defense against the same exact team? (actually a better team since UM players werent suspended)

 

[Senser81]

Oh yeah I forgot Texas A&M, which would also beat Notre Dame.

Switching gears here, but I've been very surprised at Texas A&M's success in the SEC. I thought they would get steamrolled. Perhaps its more "good timing" than anything. What has your impression been?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'm not a TAMU fan, but I live here so I watch them whenever I can. I've also obviously seen ND 3 or 4 times. I think TAMU would beat ND on a neutral field.

In fact, I would not be shocked if A&M knocks off Alabama. That QB is a pain in the neck.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Switching gears here, but I've been very surprised at Texas A&M's success in the SEC. I thought they would get steamrolled. Perhaps its more "good timing" than anything. What has your impression been?

I thought the same thing. But Sumlin has done a great job with Sherman's pro style offensive players, and the freshman QB is a playmaker.

A&M will be a major factor when Sumlin gets his type of players in there.