Blind BCS Poll

[NAHSTE]

Oh that's what I said?

Pardon me, I just thought the SEC (Bama) was the God of defense... except ND played better defense against the same exact team?

Strong stuff. Strong stuff. The troll is strong with you, don't give up the fight.

Now remember Alabama was up 31-7 at half and rested their starters. Also remember Michigan finished that game with 269 total yards, and rushed for 100 fewer yards than they did vs Notre Dame.

This is fun.

Switching gears here, but I've been very surprised at Texas A&M's success in the SEC. I thought they would get steamrolled. Perhaps its more "good timing" than anything. What has your impression been?

Good question. I think Sumlin is a good coach, but he did walk into a pretty favorable situation. Experienced defense, dynamo RS-Frosh QB perfectly tailored to his offense, and some down years for the "2nd tier" SEC programs like Arkansas.

They are a weird team though, they seem to come out on fire out of the gate every week, then kind of run out of ideas offensively in the 2nd half. If they can ever figure out how to put together a complete 4 quarters, they will be scary. I hope it comes as soon as this week.

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm not a TAMU fan, but I live here so I watch them whenever I can. I've also obviously seen ND 3 or 4 times. I think TAMU would beat ND on a neutral field.

In fact, I would not be shocked if A&M knocks off Alabama. That QB is a pain in the neck.

ND vs TAMU IMo would mirror LSU's matchup in a certain sense. I could see the irish having trouble "adjusting" to Johhny Football at the outset but over the course of the game ND's defensive line and LB's have enough good players and really good athletes to hold him "in check" more and more. The money question would be ND's offense. I'm not overly impressed with AM's defense so it all depends what ND offense showed up. If the "above average/good" ND offense shows up then I think the game is a tight battle that comes down to a couple plays in the 4th Qtr. Nuetral field I could see ND being a 4 pt dog or so but I feel like the game would be hyper competitive with each team having chances down the stretch to win.

 

[NAHSTE]

ND vs TAMU IMo would mirror LSU's matchup in a certain sense. I could see the irish having trouble "adjusting" to Johhny Football at the outset

FWIW, Chavis's adjustment was using six DBs on the field exclusively (his beloved 3-2-6 "Mustang" package) and just sending edge pressure from all over the place. Does Notre Dame have the depth in the secondary to employ the same tactic?

Anyway, LOL at a Notre Dame fan just admitting that the 5th or 6th best SEC team would be 4-point favorites over the Irish on neutral field. That's kind of been my point this entire time.

:lesmug:

 

[FirstTimer]

FWIW, Chavis's adjustment was using six DBs on the field exclusively (his beloved 3-2-6 "Mustang" package) and just sending edge pressure from all over the place. Does Notre Dame have the depth in the secondary to employ the same tactic?

Anyway, LOL at a Notre Dame fan just admitting that the 5th or 6th best SEC team would be 4-point favorites over the Irish on neutral field. That's kind of been my point this entire time.

:lesmug:

I like TAMU better than I do Florida FWIW. Georgia is interesting. Honestly, after Alabama the next tier of SEC teams seems to be a mish mash and are pretty evenly matched IMO. So saying they are the 5th or 6th best kind of misses the mark.

And ND's secondary depth is pretty decent/athletic. You'd basically be seeing a lot of DB Elijah Shumate and ND loves Danny Spond(a hyper athletic LB'er) in those situations as well.

 

[Champ]

"Laughly overrated" is a great quote

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Oh that's what I said?

Pardon me, I just thought the SEC (Bama) was the God of defense... except ND played better defense against the same exact team? (actually a better team since UM players werent suspended)

Lolno.. Alabama's backups giving up a second half touchdown and 200 second half yards does not mean ND played better defense..

ND allowed 19 first downs playing their starters the whole game
Alabama allowed 11, with many coming against the backups
Alabama allowed 30 less total yards, 100 less rushing yards
Michigan was 8-15 on 3rd down against ND, 3-12 against Alabama

Get out of here with that bullshit

 

[Jayrock]

Strong stuff. Strong stuff. The troll is strong with you, don't give up the fight.

Now remember Alabama was up 31-7 at half and rested their starters. Also remember Michigan finished that game with 269 total yards, and rushed for 100 fewer yards than they did vs Notre Dame.

This is fun.

They weren't resting their starters in the third quarter when they gave up the second TD. Derp.

 

[Jayrock]

Lolno.. Alabama's backups giving up a second half touchdown and 200 second half yards does not mean ND played better defense..

ND allowed 19 first downs playing their starters the whole game
Alabama allowed 11, with many coming against the backups
Alabama allowed 30 less total yards, 100 less rushing yards
Michigan was 8-15 on 3rd down against ND, 3-12 against Alabama

Get out of here with that bullshit

Are you just naming random stats that Alabama won? I can do that too if you want.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

They weren't resting their starters in the third quarter when they gave up the second TD. Derp.

Nick fucking Perry gave up the touchdown

 

[Jayrock]

OU lost to #4 Notre Dame (by 17) and #2 Kansas State (by 4), they are ranked 12th.

LSU lost to #1 Alabama (by 4) and #6 Florida (by 7), they are ranked 7th.

USCe lost to #6 Florida (by 33) and #7 LSU (by 2), they are ranked 8th.

Clemson lost to #10 Florida State (by 12), they are ranked 13th.

Am I painting the picture clear enough?

I've still not heard a reply about this NAHSTE... Thoughts?

 

[Jayrock]

Nick fucking Perry gave up the touchdown

Good job, good effort.

Alabama has played WKU, Arkansas, Florida Atl, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Tennessee, Miss State, Michigan.... and LSU giving up 9.1 PPG.

ND has played Navy, Purdue, MSU, Michigan, Miami, Stanford, BYU, Oklahoma, Pittsburgh giving up 11.7 PPG.

ND has a better scoring defense.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I like TAMU better than I do Florida FWIW. Georgia is interesting. Honestly, after Alabama the next tier of SEC teams seems to be a mish mash and are pretty evenly matched IMO. So saying they are the 5th or 6th best kind of misses the mark.

And ND's secondary depth is pretty decent/athletic. You'd basically be seeing a lot of DB Elijah Shumate and ND loves Danny Spond(a hyper athletic LB'er) in those situations as well.

TAMU had Florida dead to rights at home, and blew it late.

Like NAHSTE said, the only major flaw with TAMU has been closing out games. They've stunk in the fourth quarter.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Good job, good effort.

Alabama has played WKU, Arkansas, Florida Atl, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Tennessee, Miss State, Michigan.... and LSU giving up 9.1 PPG.

ND has played Navy, Purdue, MSU, Michigan, Miami, Stanford, BYU, Oklahoma, Pittsburgh giving up 11.7 PPG.

ND has a better scoring defense.

Okay.

And while ND is struggling to score 13 points off of 6 turnovers against Michigan, I'll be enjoying Alabama win another national title :smug:

 

[FirstTimer]

Okay.

And while ND is struggling to score 13 points off of 6 turnovers against Michigan, I'll be enjoying Alabama win another national title :smug:

Hey hey! Tommy Rees is a fucking saint!

 

[Jayrock]

Okay.

And while ND is struggling to score 13 points off of 6 turnovers against Michigan, I'll be enjoying Alabama win another national title :smug:

If you think NDs offense is the same as it was against Michigan you're ignant.

Keep warming up for the NC game with Western Carolina and Towson and see how easy that title will be.

 

[NAHSTE]

Keep warming up for the NC game with Western Carolina and Towson and see how easy that title will be.

More like "keep warming up with the rest of college football's supposed power conferences" ...

Alabama used Michigan as a tune up this season. For Notre Dame a few weeks later, that game was a bloodbath.

LSU used Washington as as tune up this season. For Stanford a few weeks later, that game was a bloodbath.


Gee, I wonder why people think the SEC is better... It's almost like all of these empirical data points point to their overwhelming superiority ...

And that's not even factoring in the bowl games we see every year.

:lesmug:

 

[Jayrock]

More like "keep warming up with the rest of college football's supposed power conferences" ...

Alabama used Michigan as a tune up this season. For Notre Dame a few weeks later, that game was a bloodbath.

LSU used Washington as as tune up this season. For Stanford a few weeks later, that game was a bloodbath.


Gee, I wonder why people think the SEC is better... It's almost like all of these empirical data points point to their overwhelming superiority ...

And that's not even factoring in the bowl games we see every year.

:lesmug:

OU lost to #4 Notre Dame (by 17) and #2 Kansas State (by 4), they are ranked 12th.

LSU lost to #1 Alabama (by 4) and #6 Florida (by 7), they are ranked 7th.

USCe lost to #6 Florida (by 33) and #7 LSU (by 2), they are ranked 8th.

Clemson lost to #10 Florida State (by 12), they are ranked 13th.

 

[JeremyHight]

Are you just naming random stats that Alabama won? I can do that too if you want.

You aren't seriously thinking that Notre Dame's performance at home in a one possession game was more impressive than Alabama's performance at a neutral site in a blowout... right?

Again, Notre Dame has beat everyone in front of them, but unless they want to celebrate it with an undefeated birth in the Sugar Bowl instead of the Championship game, they have to start beating teams consistently with style points. Barely winning against Pitt (a team they should have lost to, in fact) will not help them pass by anyone in the top 4.

 

[NAHSTE]

OU lost to #4 Notre Dame (by 17) and #2 Kansas State (by 4), they are ranked 12th.

LSU lost to #1 Alabama (by 4) and #6 Florida (by 7), they are ranked 7th.

USCe lost to #6 Florida (by 33) and #7 LSU (by 2), they are ranked 8th.

Clemson lost to #10 Florida State (by 12), they are ranked 13th.

Polls are subjective and prone to human bias. Every time we see an SEC team clownstomp a foe from another "power" conference, which happens literally every season with great regularity, confirmation bias sets in with the voters.

Why should Clemson get the same amount of respect as South Carolina from the pollsters, when we can pretty easily (albeit, still subjectively) determine South Carolina is playing better opponents and has a better team? Clemson has played literally one good team, which was six weeks ago, and they lost that game. Then there's the whole confirmation bias and subjectivity factor that takes place when humans are assessing the overall quality of a program. The last time we saw Clemson going into this season, they lost 70-33. And they haven't beaten South Carolina since 2009. Pretty easy to tell why they don't enjoy as much respect from the pollsters as the Cocks do.

What do you want? Polls are subjective, and subjectively speaking, the SEC is better.

Objectively speaking, of course, the SEC is still better, as they prove any time their better programs take on the better programs from other conferences. This happens year after year after year, so the pollsters will naturally factor that in.

You aren't seriously thinking that Notre Dame's performance at home in a one possession game was more impressive than Alabama's performance at a neutral site in a blowout... right?

He's not serious, he's just trolling, but since he's putting forth such consistent effort I applaud it.

 

[Jayrock]

You aren't seriously thinking that Notre Dame's performance at home in a one possession game was more impressive than Alabama's performance at a neutral site in a blowout... right?

Again, Notre Dame has beat everyone in front of them, but unless they want to celebrate it with an undefeated birth in the Sugar Bowl instead of the Championship game, they have to start beating teams consistently with style points. Barely winning against Pitt (a team they should have lost to, in fact) will not help them pass by anyone in the top 4.

Defensive performance was better, yes.