Cheesiest player?

[steeljake]

oobl, zeus, kornstar, raidersabc123, clw... all cheesy as shit. when you have to rely on nano blitzes and unstoppable passes to win you are cheesin it up. manipulating the flaws in program code is not even close to what real life nfl coaches do.

 

[mobbdeep1122]

DSA's post is spot on. He never cheesed anyone ever. He is just a smart player. Easily the smartest I've ever played against. He knew my tendencies on both sides of the ball and game planned against it and it worked.

And Korn, I love ya bro (no homo) but I can't believe you're still trying to justify what tourney guys do against what DSA does. DSA game planned and out smarted the opposition using football logic, while you guys exploit a game and a computer AI. There is no comparison to exploiting the AI to using football strategy to beat your opponent. None.

I understand there's "strategy" in your style of play, but it's what exploit can top your exploit. That's not real football. The stuff you see in tourney games is nothing like what you would see on Sundays.

 

[x0xHumblex0x]

this thread needs Izzie :rockon:

 

[Raidersabc123]

Like I said ill destroy kornflake if he stops ignoring me and running away from the conversation ill play him with his freestyle play but stay scared

 

[BigBucs]

Ok, then if this is the case, when he gets beat, he needs to drop the excuses all the time. That thread with izzy is a perfect example. He talked all the trash he wanted, how he was going to put 100 points on him in the first game, and won game one. But had to add insult by saying he wasn't "using his book" and next game he does. There was like 4 posts of "I'll use my book". Then izzy beats him and the excuses come out. "wasn't using my book" and all this other shit. Then says next game he will use his book (another 4-5 posts of it) and izzy won't put up any points and he'll put up 1000. Izzy beats him again. And even more excuses. "was just playing around", "wasn't using my book".

If he makes money off madden fine, but don't be a little bitch when you don't win a game. Hate people like this who always "have to win" and if they don't, it was always "something else". Was never straight up loss. The guys ego is so high on madden that he had to come back to a site he hadn't posted on in almost 2 years because his game was being called out, and he had to jizz himself all over it to make his self-worth feel better. So your "do you think he cares what we think?" question is easily answered. Yeah, he obviously does or he wouldn't be here ONLY posting in this thread.

Im not concerned with the rest of that shit.

R we still talking about cheesy players? really?

One word to describe these players....
PP=Whiner or Student (4 vertical hail mary king)
Korn=trickster
DSA= Shark
Mobb=composed
Bigbuc= tough
Raidersabc123= Dangerous
Realist=my daddy
Dave=Decent
Herm= competitor
OOBL=assassin
Aso21Raiders=sap
Killgod=trooper
strahanfan92=earner
Timsgiants= hatcher

You isnt worth shit after seeing Dave described as decent. He bottom of the barrel.

 

[BigBucs]

Like I said ill destroy kornflake if he stops ignoring me and running away from the conversation ill play him with his freestyle play but stay scared

Korn acting like a bitch.

 

[steeljake]

korn should be scurred. last dud he called out was izzy and he got torched. and keep on groaning me OOBL, it doesnt make you any less of a tourney balla.

 

[KoRnStARr]

I play for money unless it's against an old school MM guy, I don't want to waste my time. FYI Madden 10 had no stick. Also MOBB it's not all exploits the major ones are banned.. I'll show you when I get home what I mean.

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

wow cant even get a game in, I can guarantee kornflake wouldnt stand a chance anyways

Naw bro... you really don't stand a chance... I know you are good on the online leaderboards and shit, but you aren't on his level, plain and simple.

Korn makes $$$$ playing Madden.........thats all that needs to be said.
if you quit your job tomorrow and/or can be successful at making money playing in Madden tournies, then do it.
until then; Korn is a proven MC contender making money..........

BUT
to spice things up; my man DJ Rhude is the ONLY undefeated player in MC, until he had to bail for family emergencies......

i honestly would like to see LJ4MVP get his interest back into this game......i would put him up there with DSA.

DJ Rhude must of been a beast in the day, but I was extremely disappointed when we played I think it was 2 years ago because I crushed him, but I know he hasn't been playing like he used to.

LJ is up there, and his interest seems to be back in the game he played with us for a bit last year, but I feel every game me and LJ will ever play will come to 1-2 plays or 1 score, and while that same thing happened against DSA with me, LJ won't try and take advantage of the AI to win, he even did anything SLIGHTLY cheesey he would be a monster.

R we still talking about cheesy players? really?

One word to describe these players....
PP=Whiner or Student (4 vertical hail mary king)
Korn=trickster
DSA= Shark
Mobb=composed
Bigbuc= tough
Raidersabc123= Dangerous
Realist=my daddy
Dave=Decent
Herm= competitor
OOBL=assassin
Aso21Raiders=sap
Killgod=trooper
strahanfan92=earner
Timsgiants= hatcher

Why thank you Zeus... I take Assasin as the most dangerous thing on that list lol... love the Aso Sap analogy hahaha should of def left BB, Dave, Aso, Strahan, TG, Herm and KG off it tho... even tho KG somehow owns my soul lol (In TGT with me having the Bungles only :shifty: )

I never beat DSA so yeah I am fucking bitter....I just assumed he was Alien not a cheeser -- I feel better now that I know the truth. I agree with Kornstar. That being said, you were still fun to play DSA I just wish you could except losing a few games rather then use those tactics.

I said this, and so did some other people. Nobody should have to leave their base defense there, defensive hot routes and adjustments are key... but you do that many and it's called cheese and it creates a nano... He did it... all the time

Cmon abc123, just play him for 20$ or something.

Want some pom-poms sweetheart?

oobl, zeus, kornstar, raidersabc123, clw... all cheesy as shit. when you have to rely on nano blitzes and unstoppable passes to win you are cheesin it up. manipulating the flaws in program code is not even close to what real life nfl coaches do.

Jake I've still never nano'ed you, and my passes are unstoppable against you because I am a 20 something year old that can react and catch a ball while you and your geriatric hands try and catch up and make a play, essentially blowing it. I know, when I strafed across the screen with my safety and user picked you 4 straight plays it hurt your feelings, but it's not my fault don't fucking test me time and time again and then try and say that I cheesed you just because I'm up 40 at halftime, then I respectfully run the ball 95% of the second half, you have no grounds for this and your on your Tami level right now, get over it. Kornstarr ABC and CLW I can more see where you are coming from.

Like I said ill destroy kornflake if he stops ignoring me and running away from the conversation ill play him with his freestyle play but stay scared

Backpedelling? You play freestyle too, remember you posted you can each play freestyle and see who wins.... he will... I could see you getting maybe 1 of 10 games, but unless you've only shown me 5% of your cheese then you don't have a chance against him.

 

[KoRnStARr]

I suppose I'll respond. First, I haven't played this game in 2 years, it's garbage. Come find me on NHL lol. I originally came by because I played the demo and then thought of you guys "awwwwwww".

And Korn, yes you beat me in MM championship. But dude, you have to understand I'm on a sim site and you come straight out of the gate with tourney ball every time I play you. Obviously I'm going to be like, "wtf dude.. at least try to be sim first". You were rocket catching and glitch outing right off the bat. I don't even know how to do that shit.

I don't care about your freestyle game or whatever. Props to you for doing well there but you bring it here and beat me by a FG a couple times, then you're like "ahhhhhhhhhhh I'm the best", of course I'm gonna let everyone know you can't beat me straight up.

I guess I could have labbed up how to stop that stuff or how to do it but the whole point of being on a sim site is that I don't have to waste my time learning completely inane video game tactics.

And guys, honestly, I had no money plays or nanos. You think I won so much using the same plays over and over? No. Or else you guys are really that bad. It was actually the opposite. I just always knew what would beat your coverage and audibled. I audibled on probably 80% of my plays then used hot routes.

I knew when a run would get 8 yards. I knew when I could go deep. I knew when my RB would be open on an out. I knew when a WR screen would work.

Half the time I didn't even look at what plays I was calling, I would just pick random plays in certain formations as quick as possible so you had no time to pick your D. Then at the line I'd set up my play knowing you likely called something you're comfortable with because you were rushed. Then I see it at the line and it's over. Your only chance is if you went H20 Rob on me and started doing random defensive hot routes.

But really my defense was the best part of my game. There were guys here who subconsciously or whatever could not throw the ball to the left or would always drift right with their QB, even a couple steps. Send pressure there and half your O is gone. Good players too. There were guys who would always audible out of runs when they saw a stacked line. So I pick a max zone and stack the line, and sell out on the pass. Pretty easy lol.

Here's a "nano" I would always use. I come out in 3-4 zone. You guys come out in singleback 3 WR. I know you always leak out the RB so you have only 5 guys blocking. I hot route the OLB and ILB to blitz. The ILB takes your guard, the DE takes your LT and the OLB takes your QB lol. I don't even have to move anyone or anything. But no one adjusts, they just complain.

But I knew all the plays you guys ran out of your formations. I knew if you came out of ________ formation you were going to pass 9 out of 10 times and if you ran it would be _____ run play and I could set my D to stop that run and focus on the pass. Shit like that.

Cliff notes: Dave was right all these years. I was a card counter, not a cheeser. If you guys saw the same routes from me in a certain game it was because you were playing the same D all game.

Okay, Mobb re-read DSA's post...

What he did was run the same play over and over again because gusy couldn't adjust to his hot routes and audibles (which is funny he says that he audibled 80% of the time, obviously he knew what he was doing..) ..

If you just blocked 5 or sent the RB on a route he'd overload the tackle and guard and it'd get instant heat. He said he'd load the box up but really play COVERAGE D.. (this is essentially a madden freestyle D.. nano + coverage D + presnap deception)

NOW.

In the tournament scene, blantant glitches are BANNED. QB draws, making the AI blitz every play, etc etc.

One of the biggest concepts last year was overloading the side to cause pressure, because the oline was very good protecting the A gap. To get heat, out of 4-6 cover-1 (here's an example), you'd spread the Dline, blitz down the RE (left end on the screen), the DT next to him, and now place the blitzing LB who's already blitzing right next to the RE.

What this does was cause an overload on that side, forcing instant pressure if your opponent didn't have a TE to block on that side, or a HB... some people would cry nano, but it's not. It's basic football concepts being applied with an overload defense, kind of like what DSA used.

DSA says he didn't run money plays yet audibled 80% of the time and called all kinds of hot routes to beat whatever bland D you guys ran. He'd runt he same play until you guys adjusted, which obviously didn't happen, and it's why he won so much.

What's so different behind that logic and the one tournament players use?

Some one please explain, or tell me the difference.

Now last year I had argaubly the best offesne in the nation in the tournament scheme.. I ran strong close, split backs and shotgun 4 WR.. A bunch type formation, a spread set, and a shotgun spread set.

In real life the Colts offense runs about 4 pass plays, but with various hot routes. They run about 4 run plays total. Manning is the pre-snap king.. if he knows you're in man, you'll see some crossing routes and Wayne running a dig, comeback, or deep IN against a man 2 deep coverage while Clark would attract safety help by running a post.. if there's no safety help, Manning will have Garcon go on a deep streak with Wayne on a double move deep and Clark running underneath routes with Addai..

My point is Manning has his own "money" plays against man to man coverage, zone defenses, and all of them alike. This is WHY the 3-4 D gives him the most problems, because it's a lot harder to tell what the D is doing pre-snap with all the movement and possibilites (see Steelers game '05 playoffs)..

 

[KoRnStARr]

In my scheme last year, if I saw one on one coverage I had a TD. If some one had a 3 man front, I'd run the ball.. I had a whole scheme, you don't see that in the sim world. People run all kinds of formations, plays -- for the sake of doing it. That's actually NOT sim at all. If you're attacking some one's defense with a few plays and have tremendous success, why would you stop? It's up for the defense to adjust, and then for you to adjust in return. Manning stays in about 3 formations all game. If he sees a soft front because a D is playing coverage D, he's audibiling to a run. If he sees man 2 deep 3 man front, a run or crossing routes/comeback combinations. Tourny style in theory is MUCH more SIM then a lot of these clueless idiots who think SIM is just mixing up plays for the sake of doing it.

 

[I OU a Beatn]

In my scheme last year, if I saw one on one coverage I had a TD. If some one had a 3 man front, I'd run the ball.. I had a whole scheme, you don't see that in the sim world. People run all kinds of formations, plays -- for the sake of doing it. That's actually NOT sim at all. If you're attacking some one's defense with a few plays and have tremendous success, why would you stop? It's up for the defense to adjust, and then for you to adjust in return. Manning stays in about 3 formations all game. If he sees a soft front because a D is playing coverage D, he's audibiling to a run. If he sees man 2 deep 3 man front, a run or crossing routes/comeback combinations. Tourny style in theory is MUCH more SIM then a lot of these clueless idiots who think SIM is just mixing up plays for the sake of doing it.

I'm convinced you have no idea what the term "sim" even means. Sim does not mean running random plays just for the hell of it. Sim is not sprinting back once you snap the ball. Sim is not running two plays all game. Sim is not setting up blitzes that fuck with the AI resulting in extremely quick pressure. Sim is not rocket catching.

By definition, sim is playing the game the way you would see it played if you were to turn on your TV on Sundays and watched a legitimate real life NFL football game. Granted, I'm sure there's tons of people out there that cry "cheese" when they lose, but that's always going to happen.

When I see "tournament style" players, I think of the douche bags who sprint to the side line, chuck a bomb, trigger a rocket catch, and then proceed to do that while mixing in their all curls or some shit.

 

[BigBucs]

I play for money unless it's against an old school MM guy, I don't want to waste my time. FYI Madden 10 had no stick. Also MOBB it's not all exploits the major ones are banned.. I'll show you when I get home what I mean.

Scary ass. Play the dude, cant hurt nothing but your ego.

 

[x0xHumblex0x]

this thread really needs Izzie

 

[BigBucs]

In my scheme last year, if I saw one on one coverage I had a TD. If some one had a 3 man front, I'd run the ball.. I had a whole scheme, you don't see that in the sim world. People run all kinds of formations, plays -- for the sake of doing it. That's actually NOT sim at all. If you're attacking some one's defense with a few plays and have tremendous success, why would you stop? It's up for the defense to adjust, and then for you to adjust in return. Manning stays in about 3 formations all game. If he sees a soft front because a D is playing coverage D, he's audibiling to a run. If he sees man 2 deep 3 man front, a run or crossing routes/comeback combinations. Tourny style in theory is MUCH more SIM then a lot of these clueless idiots who think SIM is just mixing up plays for the sake of doing it.

We play "Sim" to make up for maddens shortcomings. Only in Madden would a dime or quarters defense (see some cheesy ass Raiders east room baller) be able to successfully stop the run. Thats just one example but the programming is far from perfect. Shit like this shouldnt have to be explained. Its a game of flaws where playing sim patches up its holes somewhat.

 

[KoRnStARr]

I'm convinced you have no idea what the term "sim" even means. Sim does not mean running random plays just for the hell of it. Sim is not sprinting back once you snap the ball. Sim is not running two plays all game. Sim is not setting up blitzes that fuck with the AI resulting in extremely quick pressure. Sim is not rocket catching.

By definition, sim is playing the game the way you would see it played if you were to turn on your TV on Sundays and watched a legitimate real life NFL football game. Granted, I'm sure there's tons of people out there that cry "cheese" when they lose, but that's always going to happen.

When I see "tournament style" players, I think of the douche bags who sprint to the side line, chuck a bomb, trigger a rocket catch, and then proceed to do that while mixing in their all curls or some shit.

Thanks, I know what sim means.. I played at MM from 04 beginning of 07.. people started to have problems with my game when I got very manual with stuff.

Running backwards? Guess who helped get that out of the game for Madden 12? If you run backwards now and throw a pass it's a floater or you're going off of your backfoot. WE (lot of tourny guys) have a tournament director who does a lot with EA and we wanted it gone..

Last year I made the play Y-TRAIL famous out of strong close because of the weird route on the left that if it were one on one at all, it was an easy click on bomb.. Guess what? EA saw the final game of mine and they fixed that route, now it's utterly useless. The guy who won in the EA finals over me last year relied heavily on slant outs to the sideline.. they're now fixed. You guys don't realize how much we're here to help the game..

And again, re read my post above.. everything I said was spot on and is exactly how it is on NFL Sunday's.. stop with the exploit talk, the Saints audible around to bunch formations to destroy man coverage, run streak seams against zone defenses, etc etc... they're looking to exploit the coverage, like we are..

 

[KoRnStARr]

Scary ass. Play the dude, cant hurt nothing but your ego.

How is a man scared when they're willing to put money on themselves? Doesn't make much sense.

 

[BigBucs]

How is a man scared when they're willing to put money on themselves? Doesn't make much sense.

Thats a cop out. Play the dude and shut him up.

 

[KoRnStARr]

We play "Sim" to make up for maddens shortcomings. Only in Madden would a dime or quarters defense (see some cheesy ass Raiders east room baller) be able to successfully stop the run. Thats just one example but the programming is far from perfect. Shit like this shouldnt have to be explained. Its a game of flaws where playing sim patches up its holes somewhat.

Dime and quarters defense are easy to run on these days.. run committ is no longer there.. if I see either of the two I'll run the ball.. part of the reason why they took run commit out.

 

[Realist]

I hope this thread last forever...

R we still talking about cheesy players? really?

One word to describe these players....
PP=Whiner or Student (4 vertical hail mary king)
Korn=trickster
DSA= Shark
Mobb=composed
Bigbuc= tough
Raidersabc123= Dangerous
Realist=my daddy
Dave=Decent
Herm= competitor
OOBL=assassin
Aso21Raiders=sap
Killgod=trooper
strahanfan92=earner
Timsgiants= hatcher

LOL. I like my name on that list.