Clean hit? Joe Mays suspended one game

[s@ppisgod]

What legal thing was he trying to go for there? Wasn't going for a tackle, wasn't going for a batted pass. He intentionally went high, led with his helmet, and was trying for a highlight hit. As much as people like to talk about how you have to change your game and instincts to fit the new rules, nobody taught Mays to jump head-first at the upper body of a QB. He was trying to ring Shaub's bell over making a legit play on the pass/QB. He deserves any fine/suspension he gets. That's the definition of an unnecessarily dangerous hit.

 

[Glenbino]

Ok... I MIGHT be starting to be swayed here.. It's been almost 24 hours since the hit so some of the orange and blue pigment is starting to leave my eyes.

FWIW Schaub didn't do ANYTHING after that hit and really makes me question whether or not the Texans sent him back onto the field with a concussion. It wouldn't surprise me since guys have already admitted to bombing the pre-season baseline exams in order to not be ruled out for the rest of the game after taking a big shot.

 

[NAHSTE]

Ok... I MIGHT be starting to be swayed here.. It's been almost 24 hours since the hit so some of the orange and blue pigment is starting to leave my eyes.

FWIW Schaub didn't do ANYTHING after that hit and really makes me question whether or not the Texans sent him back onto the field with a concussion. It wouldn't surprise me since guys have already admitted to bombing the pre-season baseline exams in order to not be ruled out for the rest of the game after taking a big shot.

Come on, really? You are not sure? He absolutely sustained a concussion. Should not have been out there, but this is the NFL we are talking about.

 

[Glenbino]

Come on, really? You are not sure? He absolutely sustained a concussion. Should not have been out there, but this is the NFL we are talking about.

I'm always going to give the benefit of the doubt to a classy ex-Bronco like Gary Kubiak. :lesmug:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

One of the most blatant dirty hits i've seen in a long time. Mays launched himself helmet first, and makes no attempt to use his arms or wrap up at any point.

I don't even think you can blame the era for this one. That's a dirty hit in 1960.

 

[EmpireWF]

He went 100% head first, that's the very definition of what's been in the news in recent years. Stupid Mays.

 

[s@ppisgod]

One of the most blatant dirty hits i've seen in a long time. Mays launched himself helmet first, and makes no attempt to use his arms or wrap up at any point.

I don't even think you can blame the era for this one. That's a dirty hit in 1960.

Something about it made me think of James Harrison, and that I haven't seen him play in a while....

 

[Liquidrob]

gotta get that bounty money

 

[calgaryballer]

For all the talk of how 'important' concussions are now, there is no medical way this didn't cause a concussion. Somehow, I am pretty sure he didn't even have to go through a fake concussion test. He sat out the one play for his helmet coming off and was right back out there. Fuck the NFL

 

[Glenbino]

For all the talk of how 'important' concussions are now, there is no medical way this didn't cause a concussion. Somehow, I am pretty sure he didn't even have to go through a fake concussion test. He sat out the one play for his helmet coming off and was right back out there. Fuck the NFL

Team Doctor: ""Where did you go to college Matt?"

Schaub: "VA TECH! Go Hokies!"

Doctor: "Close... Try again."

Schaub: "The Atlanta Falcons."

Doctor to Kubiak: "Coach, he's done for the game. No way he can go back out there tonight."

Kubiak after watching TJ Yates throw three warm up balls into the ground: "Alright Matt the doctors tell me you're good to go now get out there and step on these guys' neck."

Schuab: "Who the fuck is Matt?"

 

[MrBill]

Called that one :yep:

@AdamSchefter NFL suspended Broncos LB Joe Mays for one game for the helmet-to-helmet hit he put on Texans QB Matt Schaub. Mays is appealing suspension.

 

[Glenbino]

Called that one :yep:

If that's the case I sure hope they look at the guy on the Steelers who hit DHB and wasn't even flagged despite completely leaving his feet and going head first into the helmet of a defenseless receiver.

Probably not though because his DHB's helmet stayed on.

 

[Maynard]

The NFL suspended Denver Broncos linebacker Joe Mays for one game for the helmet-to-helmet hit he put on Houston Texans quarterback Matt Schaub on Sunday, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

Mays is appealing the suspension, the source said.

On Monday, Broncos coach John Fox defended Mays' vicious hit on Schaub that cost the quarterback a chunk of his ear.

"I know this: He doesn't do it intentionally to hurt him," Fox said. "That's not Joe Mays. That's not what we teach. It's accidental. Playing football. You see it around the league every week."

Schaub went through his normal Monday routine and looked "fine" the day after losing a bit of his left ear lobe.

Schaub still tied a career high with four touchdown passes in the Texans' 31-25 victory and only missed one snap after Mays dazed him, an answer to anyone who's questioned his durability in the past.

He went down hard after Mays crashed helmet-first into his jaw in the third quarter on Sunday, just after he'd thrown a deep pass to Andre Johnson.

Schaub's helmet bounced off and he immediately covered both ears with his hands after hitting the turf. He walked off the field on his own and told athletic trainer Geoff Kaplan on the bench, "I'm fine."

"I felt fine," Schaub said after the game Sunday. "I just lost a piece of my ear. I was bleeding and my helmet came off. So, I had to come out for a play, but I was fine."

Texans coach Gary Kubiak was watching the pass, which fell incomplete, and didn't see the hit until he watched the replay of the game back in Houston on Monday.

He wouldn't say if he thought it merited a fine for Mays, who earned a roughing the passer penalty.

"Obviously, he took a really good shot there," Kubiak said. "That's the league's job, to sort those things out. Obviously, we protect our players. If we think something is wrong, we turn it into the league and then they've got to go sort that out. We're just fortunate our guy is fine, and we just move onto the next one."

 

[Maynard]

If that's the case I sure hope they look at the guy on the Steelers who hit DHB and wasn't even flagged despite completely leaving his feet and going head first into the helmet of a defenseless receiver.

Probably not though because his DHB's helmet stayed on.

i dont understand how you can defend this guy and that hit. its one thing to be a homer, but when you are wrong you are wrong

 

[Tailback U]

I am usually one of the more supportive posters here when it comes to violent hits that most people think were illegal but I think Mays hit was egregious and unnecessary.

He absolutely could have easily led with his shoulder and aimed lower, not spearing Schaub but form tackling him properly. All he would have needed to do was squat down a little bit and drive his shoulder into Schaub's sternum. It wouldn't have made any difference at all on the play and it would have been a much safer move.

It's weird how I see a few guys get knocked out every weekend even though the NFL cracked down on the bounty program. I thought cracking down on the bounty issue would really stop guys from trying to hurt one another but I guess not. :shrug:

 

[Glenbino]

i dont understand how you can defend this guy and that hit. its one thing to be a homer, but when you are wrong you are wrong

I don't see anywhere in my previous post where I defended the Mays hit... Just that I thought the league should be doling out the same type of punishment for a hit that was every bit, if not more violent and included helmet to helmet contact on a defenseless receiver.

Why don't you try re-reading my posts where I said I was starting to be swayed against thinking the Mays hit was legal before you just spout off misinformation.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

If that's the case I sure hope they look at the guy on the Steelers who hit DHB and wasn't even flagged despite completely leaving his feet and going head first into the helmet of a defenseless receiver.

Probably not though because his DHB's helmet stayed on.

That should be a fine since it was not penalized in the game, and he definitely should be up for suspension.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

If he goes low and standard he may get the late hit call and Shaubs motion is uninterrupted.
The force of impact is what knocked Shaubs loosey goosey helmet off. Helmet contact as it came forward knocked it back.

Dont ask me if its dirty. Im one of W2Bs "RAWWRR FOOTBALL!" guys. The NFL bases fines and suspension on the appearance and result of a play not the development of it. If Shaub gets right up claps and goes WOOOOOOO theres no suspension. As 'Bino is stating its not a consistent thing so how can you be objective on something clearly subjective and changing every week.

 

[Maynard]

I don't see anywhere in my previous post where I defended the Mays hit... Just that I thought the league should be doling out the same type of punishment for a hit that was every bit, if not more violent and included helmet to helmet contact on a defenseless receiver.

Why don't you try re-reading my posts where I said I was starting to be swayed against thinking the Mays hit was legal before you just spout off misinformation.

i did...i quoted your opinion in the 1st post of this thread....the utter stupidity of your comment prompted me to make this thread. if your position changed since then i dont know it because you only get one shot to not be stupid

 

[Maynard]

If he goes low and standard he may get the late hit call and Shaubs motion is uninterrupted.
The force of impact is what knocked Shaubs loosey goosey helmet off. Helmet contact as it came forward knocked it back.

Dont ask me if its dirty. Im one of W2Bs "RAWWRR FOOTBALL!" guys. The NFL bases fines and suspension on the appearance and result of a play not the development of it. If Shaub gets right up claps and goes WOOOOOOO theres no suspension. As 'Bino is stating its not a consistent thing so how can you be objective on something clearly subjective and changing every week.

i agree with the rwwwwwrrr football part....im not sure i agree with the no suspension if he got up part. we will never know....

but imo, mays led with his helmet in an almost spearing fashion and hit shuab right in the chin. maybe he didnt mean to do that, but he did and the NFL (claims) to want players to think before they hit....