[Countdown] Top 25 Players in the NFL

[bcransom]

Actually, your post was very helpful. It mentioned the fact that people may be posting in this thread to disagree with bcransom's rankings. bcransom had seemed unaware of this potential occurrence up to that point, hence his "What the fuck are you babbling about?" comment.

That comment was actually designed to figure out what the fuck you were babbling about... since there was no place where I said the list would be based on value to a team. I'm completely fine with people disagreeing, I welcome it.

 

[Senser81]

You guys aren't looking at the list right. This isn't "Who is more valuable?" or "Who would you rather have on your team?" or "Who would you want to start a franchise with?" because oftentimes the QB would take it with ease. This is ranking the top 25 players in the NFL strictly on how good of players they are, in other words, who plays their position the best... And while it's admittedly extremely hard to judge, I think Nnamdi is better at his.

So you are "ranking" players regardless of their position, but you are "judging" players only within their position.

Makes a whole lotta sense to me. So, theoretically, Josh Cribbs could be ranked higher than Peyton Manning because Cribbs is better than the 2nd best KR/PR by a wider margin than Manning is better than the 2nd best QB.

 

[SethMode]

Also, just as a clarification, as a fan of Hines Ward:

If you're at the top of the "most underrated player" discussion, you're no longer underrated.

 

[Senser81]

I question the posts of someone who puts any stock at all in the Pro Bowl selections.

I'm not saying Pro Bowl selections are incredibly accurate (case in point, Fletcher's selection this year), and I'm not saying Fletcher is a bad player...I am saying that you would expect the 20th best player in the league to have made the pro bowl a couple times if he's been in the league for like 13 years already.

 

[SethMode]

I question the posts of someone who puts any stock at all in the Pro Bowl selections.

SethMode: Let's hear it, by all means. Fletcher is easily one of the most complete LB's in the league, and when you take into account the intangibles, I have no trouble standing by where I put him. Are there LB's over him? Yes.

I would put 3 of the 4 LBs on the Steelers ALONE above London Fletcher. And I would only put James Harrison in the top 25 players in the NFL.

The list in general makes no sense, nor does your point in doing it, as Senser succinctly pointed out.

 

[Senser81]

That comment was actually designed to figure out what the fuck you were babbling about... since there was no place where I said the list would be based on value to a team. I'm completely fine with people disagreeing, I welcome it.

So if the list is not based on a player's value to a team, what is it based on? The player's value to a _________ ?

 

[Champ]

Yea this list must go on. I must see who you have in your top 10. This shit is bonkers.

 

[Woy]

He made the Pro Bowl this year. He's now in the class of greats like David Garrard and Vince Young.

Vince Young has 2 Pro Bowl appearances.

DON'T YOU EVER MENTION HIM IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS THOSE PLAYERS

 

[zack54attack]

London Fletcher #20

 

[zack54attack]

And also... Lance Briggs > London Fletcher

 

[bcransom]

19.

Jeff Saturday - C - Indianapolis Colts

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Saturday is the veteran leader of the line that protects the greatest signal caller in the game today. The way Saturday executes the line calls in such a complicated scheme (With constant changing of plays and whatnot) is amazing, and there are few in the league who would be able to pull it off. A great guy and player, an absolutely integral part of the Colts offense.

 

[Champ]

HA

 

[SethMode]

Okay this is just entering into joke territory at this point right? A CENTER is the 19th best player in the NFL!?

Do you just have a shit ton of NFL trading cards taped to your wall that you're just drunkenly heaving darts at?

 

[bcransom]

18.

Jared Allen - DE - Minnesota Vikings

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Allen backs up his cockiness with his play, and that in itself is a very, very tall order. Hardly anyone in the game gets to the Quarterback as much or as often as this guy (44.5 sacks in his last three seasons), but the thing that makes him so special is that even when he’s having an off day, the fact that the QB knows he’ll be coming for his life on every down off the edge has a profound impact on the game. I think the fact that he isn’t afraid to make a fool of his victims after the play also adds to the intimidation factor. Great personality, great player, the type of guy fans come to see to be entertained by. Football needs more Jared Allens.

 

[bcransom]

Okay this is just entering into joke territory at this point right? A CENTER is the 19th best player in the NFL!?

Do you just have a shit ton of NFL trading cards taped to your wall that you're just drunkenly heaving darts at?

wtf? Are you one of those people who wants nothing but skill positions that watches the path of the ball and nothing else? Jesus Christ, one pick is disagreeable to some of you and all hell breaks loose.

 

[bcransom]

17.

Charles Woodson - CB - Green Bay Packers

DPOY always bumps you up a couple spots. I know Woodson is regarded by some as the best Cornerback in the league after taking home Defensive Player of the Year honors, but what I’m looking for in a #1 corner is lockdown coverage on a consistent basis before route-jumping, picking, and returning at the cost of being beat some of the time, and to me Revis is a better bet on that basis. In my synopsis of Nnamdi I already did most of the explaining for Woodson over him. I respect greatly what Woodson does and how vital he is to the Packers defense, and whole-heartedly endorse him as one of the league’s premier defensive players year in and year out.

 

[bcransom]

16.

Kevin Williams - DT - Minnesota Vikings

The second and last representative of the fantastic Minnesota D-Line... Williams is without a doubt the league’s greatest UT. He pushes the pocket probably better than anyone else in the league, and commands double and triple teams on a line on which are also Pat Williams and Jared Allen, two fabulous players in their own right... that’s got to tell you something when NFL Offensive Coordinators consider him a bigger threat than those two. He puts up around 10 sacks a year (Which is quite good for a DT) but that number would undoubtedly balloon if there wasn’t such amazing talent around him stealing sacks that would be his on a worse line. He also possesses the rare ability to split multiple blockers to wreak havoc in the backfield in the running game. Kevin Williams does it all.

 

[Senser81]

At least the reigning defensive player of the year was ranked below only one Minnesota Viking defensive lineman, not two. And its a good thing Woodson ended up winning the defensive player of the year award in the first place, otherwise he'd be ranked behind Jeff Saturday and London Fletcher.


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[Goober]

Knowing Bcransom, Ladainian Tomlinson will be in the Top 10.

 

[bcransom]

15.

DeMarcus Ware - OLB - Dallas Cowboys

Ah, the first and only Cowboy on the list. Like Freeney, Ware is on here for no other reason besides how well he rushes the passer. After getting off to a rocky start in 2009 following an amazing 20 sack season in '08, this guy went ballistic, making huge plays in huge situations (Sealed the win against the Saints, etc.) This guy causes huge amounts of trouble for OC's every week, and the problem is compounded by the fact that by double or triple-teaming Ware, Ratliff, Spencer, James, and others are given a much better opportunity to get in the backfield. 56.5 sacks in the past 4 seasons. This guy will go down as one of the greats at this pace, barring injuries of course.