Dana drops the banhammer on Golden Glory fighters

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JOE had no business being cut after that great fight with Herman.

 

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Dana White Details Split With Alistair Overeem and Golden Glory


In the end, Dana White says, the split between the UFC, Strikeforce and its Golden Glory fighters came down to business issues.

Reigning Strikeforce heavyweight champ Alistair Overeem along with fellow Strikeforce fighters Valentijn Overeem and Marloes Coenen and UFC heavyweight Jon Olav Einemo were cut during the last week in a surprising development. Questions arose over what precipitated the move.

On Thursday, UFC president Dana White spoke about the issues that led to the split.

"This is actually a pretty simple explanation," he said. "If you look back throughout history, we haven't had any Golden Glory guys fight with us since Semmy Schilt, right? And the reason is we have very different business practices. It's tough to do business with them. The bottom line is the way they do business is, you have to pay them, not the fighters. We don't work that way. It's not the way we do business. It's not how it works in the United States with the athletic commissions. You don't pay the managers and the managers pay the fighters. You pay the fighters and the fighters pay the managers."

White went on to say that while they had previously honored existing Strikeforce deals, it became apparent Golden Glory management wouldn't change their long-held practices.

"They won't do it," he said. "We have to pay them, not the fighters."

While White said when they brought in Einemo, Golden Glory gave in to Zuffa's request, it was apparently a onetime only change. Asked if for example, Zuffa would bring back Coenen if they once again played by Zuffa's rules, White shook his head.

"They don't and they won't," he said.

The only existing Golden Glory fighter to remain on the Zuffa payroll is Strikeforce heavyweight Sergei Kharitonov, who remains in the Heavyweight Grand Prix and is expected to fight in September. Zuffa sources said because Einemo, Valentijn Overeem and Coenen had all lost, they could be cut. They chose to honor their existing deal with Kharitonov, but are paying him directly. If he loses, he would likely be cut.

White said Golden Glory should have no issues doing things their way in other foreign promotions, but as long as they deal with U.S. athletic commissions, Zuffa can only handle business one way.

"The reality is, we're trying to work out deals with these guys and they won't do it," White said. "They said you absolutely can't pay the fighters, you have to pay us. And it's pretty simple to look back and see that the last guy who fought in UFC was Semmy Schilt. There was a reason for that."

 

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Such a liar, Semmy isnt the last, they just signed Eminemo just recently

Plus, it isnt against what the AC's will accept, how has SF and other orgs done it? Another lie it seems, of coruse no one in the 'MMA media' will ask those questions, business as usual

Also, how are they paying Sergei directly? They breaching there contract or he had that deal? So that shows GG also does it that way

 

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Well that's interesting about for Einemo in the UFC, GG allowed Einemo to be paid directly, then changed their mind.

Such a liar, Semmy isnt the last, they just signed Eminemo just recently

You know it was 'we haven't had any GG guys (other than the ones we just cut) since Schilt"


It sucks most for Coenen. She has to choose between the management/training group she's had for years who helped get her where she is today....and fighting for Strikeforce. It's a shitty place to put someone in but when you get two hardheaded sides, the fighters will get caught in the crossfire.

 

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Well that's interesting about for Einemo in the UFC, GG allowed Einemo to be paid directly, then changed their mind.



You know it was 'we haven't had any GG guys (other than the ones we just cut) since Schilt"

Which makes no sense and doesnt mean anything, so they did hire a GG since Semmy, why?

Just more spin from Zuffa

Non of this statement makes sense and contradicts what happened

 

[EmpireWF]

Is Mousasi repped by GG?

Which makes no sense and doesnt mean anything, so they did hire a GG since Semmy, why?

Non of this statement makes sense and contradicts what happened

If you read, White claims that for Einemo's one UFC fight, GG agreed to have the fighter paid directly.

 

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Is Mousasi repped by GG?




If you read, White claims that for Einemo's one UFC fight, GG agreed to have the fighter paid directly.

So they allow it, but than he says they don't, wonderful, so obviously they do not always get the money

 

[EmpireWF]

Dana dropping the commission line sounds like bullshit since GG fighters have fought in the States often and when has it been a problem with ACs?

So they allow it, but than he says they don't, wonderful, so obviously they do not always get the money

While White said when they brought in Einemo, Golden Glory gave in to Zuffa's request, it was apparently a one time only change.

 

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So how are they paying Sergei?

Amazing a forum poster who works full time can come up with better questions than any 'mma media' will ask

 

[EmpireWF]

Read bro.

So how are they paying Sergei?

Amazing a forum poster who works full time can come up with better questions than any 'mma media' will ask

The only existing Golden Glory fighter to remain on the Zuffa payroll is Strikeforce heavyweight Sergei Kharitonov, who remains in the Heavyweight Grand Prix and is expected to fight in September. They chose to honor their existing deal with Kharitonov, but are paying him directly. If he loses, he would likely be cut.

 

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I did 'bro'

so was Sergei paid directly with SF or is Zuffa paying him directly now and not honoring how he has been paid?

If you don't understand what I'm saying, read again

 

[EmpireWF]

so was Sergei paid directly with SF or is Zuffa paying him directly now and not honoring how he has been paid?

Safe to assume Strikeforce originally paid Kharitonov through GG since they obviously didn't have a problem with doing so.

 

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Rob went HAM in this thread

no homo

The media doesn't ask tough questions because they don't want their access to be revoked. The Fertitas run the UFC the mafia way.

 

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I'm pretty sure Mousasi only trains with Golden Glory, but is not managed by them.

 

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Rob went HAM in this thread

no homo

The media doesn't ask tough questions because they don't want their access to be revoked. The Fertitas run the UFC the mafia way.

I don't know what HAM means, but it sounds like it's good

 

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I don't know what HAM means, but it sounds like it's good

Hard
As a
Motherfucker.

:yep:

 

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Coenen says that Dana is chatting shit about GG.

MarloesCoenen MarloesCoenen
@danawhite hurts me 2 hear things about my management that are not true. #Ibelieveinthetruth #proof

And she posts a picture of a paycheck....http://twitpic.com/6113vq

 

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Coenen says that Dana is chatting shit about GG.And she posts a picture of a paycheck....http://twitpic.com/6113vq

That check is from FORZA, which is the new parent company of Strikeforce (ZUFFA is technically not the parent company of SF). Actually, this kinda supports what Dana is saying, that they pay the fighters directly and refuse to pay GG.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

CONTRACTS AND FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENTS

NAC 467.102 Contract between manager and unarmed combatant: General requirements; arbitration of disputes; authority of managers; assignment. (NRS 467.030)
1. The Commission may refuse to honor a contract between a manager and an unarmed combatant unless it is filed with the Commission at least 72 hours before a scheduled contest or exhibition and it complies with the requirements of this section. The Commission will not honor a contract between a manager and an unarmed combatant if the term of the contract is for a period of more than 4 years.
2. A manager may not contract to receive the services of an unarmed combatant under his management for a contest or exhibition which is scheduled to take place after the expiration of the contract.
3. A contract between an unarmed combatant and a manager that is executed and notarized on a form provided by the Commission may provide for voluntary binding arbitration of disputes by the Commission. The arbitration must be conducted by a representative of the Commission appointed by the Chairman. The arbitration must be conducted pursuant to the Uniform Arbitration Act of 2000, NRS 38.206 to 38.248, inclusive.
4. The Commission may honor a contract that is not executed and notarized on a form provided by the Commission if the terms of the contract comply with the requirements of this section. If the terms of the contract exceed the limitations contained in this section, the Commission may honor the contract to the extent of those limitations.
5. A manager may not negotiate or sign for contests or exhibitions for an unarmed combatant who is not under contract to him. An unarmed combatant who does not have a contract with a licensed manager must sign for his own contest or exhibition and sign the receipt for his own purse.
6. A manager or managers may not participate separately or collectively in more than 33 1/3 percent of the earnings of the unarmed combatant in the ring.
7. An interest, other than a monetary interest, which an unarmed combatant or a manager has in a contract may not be assigned unless:
(a) A written assignment, signed by the unarmed combatant and the manager, is submitted to the Commission; and
(b) The Commission approves the assignment.
[Athletic Comm’n, §§ 56-59, 61, eff. 4-25-78]—(NAC A 12-13-82; 11-2-88; 12-2-97; R076-03, 12-3-2003)

NAC 467.104 Promoter and certain others prohibited from acting as manager of unarmed combatant and from holding certain financial interests. (NRS 467.030) An unarmed combatant may not have a promoter or any of its members, stockholders, officials, matchmakers or assistant matchmakers:
1. Act directly or indirectly as his manager; or
2. Hold any financial interest in his management or his earnings from contests or exhibitions.
[Athletic Comm’n, § 149, eff. 4-25-78]—(NAC A 12-13-82; 12-2-97)—(Substituted in revision for NAC 467.870)


Nevada does not allow payments to managers. But I still think Dana is full of shit.

 

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You can't out class classy coenen, she just dropped dana on his head

Uh, the only thing it supports is dana lied