Dana drops the banhammer on Golden Glory fighters

[Warner2BruceTD]

You can't out class classy coenen, she just dropped dana on his head

Uh, the only thing it supports is dana lied

But what did he lie about? He said the refuse to pay GG, and the check actually supports that.

What am I missing?

 

[Liquidrob]

But what did he lie about? He said the refuse to pay GG, and the check actually supports that.

What am I missing?

That's not what he said, he said GG gets paid, besides eminemo, that's why there cut, obviously they paid coenen and not GG

So either Zuffa breached the contract or GG allows it which he said they don't, so basically a bunch of lies, I doubt they would risk a lawsuit if the contract said GG must be paid

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

That's not what he said, he said GG gets paid, besides eminemo, that's why there cut, obviously they paid coenen and not GG

So either Zuffa breached the contract or GG allows it which he said they don't, so basically a bunch of lies, I doubt they would risk a lawsuit if the contract said GG must be paid

Now I see your angle.

Dana is always full of shit, he should just say "look, we don't like dealing with these guys" and just leave it at that. Maybe Illinois has a similar law to Nevada.

 

[EmpireWF]

So why cut Coenen if she gets paid directly? Is a beef with GG worth going out of your way to take away the only name contender in the 145 womens division?

 

[Steel Mamba]

So why cut Coenen if she gets paid directly? Is a beef with GG worth going out of your way to take away the only name contender in the 145 womens division?

This is Dana White we're talking about. You know how he is about beef, and you know he doesn't care about the female divisions.

 

[SHOGUN]

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[EmpireWF]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/8/6...additional-insight-on-zuffa-golden-glory-rift

Sherdog's Jordan Breen:

This ball is in Golden Glory's court. Firstly, let me say that I think the entire Zuffa handling of this fiasco was absolutely terrible. Concealing the story for as long as they could, then not being forthcoming with information, and then having Dana White make vague comments is pretty brutal. I think, if we have seen anything in the last 12-18 months, it's that MMA's status as a popular sport has rocketed past its own ability to effectively govern its PR matters.

Look at Jon Jones' thumb situation, and how badly his manager Malki Kawa botched it. Now, look at how bad the UFC comes out looking in this Golden Glory matter. The company looks petty, vindictive and secretive, like it has some kind of axe to grind with Golden Glory. In reality, Golden Glory tried to renege on Overeem's contract and demand more money, which is unprofessional in the greatest way. And yet the UFC ends up looking like the bad guy because they so brutally misunderstand PR in that way.

I think damage control-type PR is still the area where the UFC is the weakest. It seems like Dana White and Co. think MMA fans are blathering idiots, and they can sweep any happening under the rug with some vague words, and have people accept it. MMA fans might be irrational and emotional, but they're not idiots.

People have no real understanding of the facts because of how poorly they were presented. Let's go over some basics here.

1) Strikeforce were the stepdad, willing to let the kids run the house. It was routine that fighters would hold out and grandstand for money mid-contract. It was the first thing that Zuffa needed to fix when they assumed control. It actually reared its head immediately, as Paul Daley's team tried something similar before the Nick Diaz bout. The bout was nearly called off before cooler heads prevailed.

2) Taxes kill a lot of foreign fighters. So, when you see that Gegard Mousasi made $2000 to fight Renato Sobral, you can deduce that he was paid a menial "official" purse in the U.S., officially reported to the commission. Later, Mousasi -- or at the very least, M-1 Global, who repped him at the time -- received a much larger check under the guise of consulting, or a bonus, or a performance incentive, or something inane. This allows them to avoid getting gauged on in-state taxes owed to commissions.

The hypocrisy in this is that it is really not that dissimilar from the UFC trying to secretly hand guys discretionary bonuses under the table without other fighters, or even their own management, knowing.

So, here's what you have to know. Golden Glory tried to hold Zuffa hostage for more money for Overeem, betting on the notion that he was important enough to keep around. They bet wrong, Dana White's emotions took over, and he decided to make an example. Afterward, rather than discuss the situation frankly, he tried to pull the "us vs. them" card he used against M-1 Global and others in the past, but poorly represented facts and made the UFC look bad.

That is the brutal thing about the whole act. What did Marloes Coenen and Jon Olav Einemo do wrong? I suppose you could say "They should have chosen better management," but there's still a lot of poorly-directed anger displacement here.

Like I said, in addition to the disclosed "Of the Night" bonuses, Zuffa hands out tons and tons of under-the-table discretionary bonuses. Is that really any less covert and duplicitous than Golden Glory's desire to get paid out-of-state? Do people really, truly, honestly think THAT is Dana White's problem, and not that Golden Glory tried to hold his company hostage for more money? Come on.

Tax is the big issue; Zuffa can write checks directly to fighters for reasons not linked to a direct fight event, thereby bypassing the state taxes on the purse.

[Marloes tweeting her check denoting her as the payee] is basically irrelevant, as it only contradicts Dana White's poorly-chosen half-truth. Refuting non-facts doesn't constitute truth. Of course Zuffa make checks out to her; they have to if they're fighting in an athletic commission.

Here's the problem: Zuffa were innocent, did something stupid, then made themselves look bad. The company actually devolved across that spectrum over the Golden Glory beef.

 

[Cornelius]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/8/6...additional-insight-on-zuffa-golden-glory-rift

Sherdog's Jordan Breen:

Interesting. So in a nutshell, Zuffa gives bonuses and additional money under the table that isn't taxed and that's hard to transact with an agency like GG. Couldn't Dana have a little more tact when discussing issues like this with the media? That guy is a fucking child and it's mind boggling how anyone would put him in charge of an organization. If he never lucked into the success of TUF, he'd probably be in charge of a dance studio in North Vegas right now.

 

[EmpireWF]

If he never lucked into the success of TUF, he'd probably be in charge of a dance studio in North Vegas right now.

lol

If the UFC "never lucked" out with TUF, the Fertitta's would have sold it.

 

[Cornelius]

lol

If the UFC "never lucked" out with TUF, the Fertitta's would have sold it.

Isn't that what I was alluding to?:edlover:

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Isn't that what I was alluding to?:edlover:

You're learn to ignore the above.

 

[EmpireWF]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqRdAiK0mBk

He still wanted/wants to fight wherever. He had to understand Zuffa isn't about to give guys open contracts, not like Strikeforce use to.

 

[Liquidrob]

Bas Rutten!

Many people have been asking MY view on what happened with StrikeForce and Golden Glory. Finally, after hearing from the fans and fighters involved, I thought to write what I though.

First thing we heard was: “Dana said that it was the problem from GG management, that they don’t want the checks directly to go to the fighters”. But then there is suddenly a picture from Marloes Coenen’s check on the Internet with her name on it, a check that she cashed herself.

Some will ask, “Why does GG do business like this?” Well, it’s for their own protection of course, but it probably started because some checks from Japan started to bounce from some organizations. And if they didn’t bounce, the fighters would be able to get them cashed 6 or 8 weeks later. Since fighters want their money right away, and GG loves their fighters, they said “No problem, we pay the fighters from our OWN money, pay their trainers and sparring partners, and then when the money comes in, we simply deduct everything from the check that is paid, this way everybody get’s paid”.
I know for a fact, 100% true, that they STILL need to get money from some organizations. The fighters got paid, but GG didn’t because they paid the fighters out of their own money. And some people say that they are crooks? Please explain this to me, who else, what management, give me one name, does this?

As a fighter, this would be something really cool, but even more for the trainers, because, ask trainers how many times they get paid by their fighters? You will be amazed with how many do NOT. I know fighters who became World champion in big organizations, even the UFC, and they never, yes, you read this good, NEVER, paid their trainer (OK, I might be wrong 1 or 2 times from the at least 10 or 15 times, but I am pretty sure I am not wrong). It sickens me and I would love to mention names, but out of respect of their coaches, I won’t. I hope those fighters read this, so they know that I know.

Anyway, these problems don’t exist at GG, at least not when the management is taking care of this.

So we know now why GG does this. And of course when GG heard that the UFC wanted to pay their fighters directly, and that they otherwise didn’t want to do business, GG right away said “OK, no problem”. And that’s why you saw that check from Marloes Coenen popping up.

So what is the real reason then that they let the fighters go?
Well, because we don’t have an answer now, I started speculating and thinking about everything, that’s something you do when you don’t have answers.

The truth is, I don't exactly know, but what I DO know is that Alistair Overeem was in a beautiful spot. When he would win the tournament, his contract would be over and that would put him in a really good spot.

That's about the same situation as I had in Pancrase. I had ONE more fight on the contract, and Pancrase waited for that moment and then put Funaki against me. They thought: "Funaki beat him before, he will do it again, and when that happens, we have Bas in a perfect position for the new contract".

But, that all fell through because I beat Funaki, and now I, not them, was holding the power to negotiate.

Similar position for Alistair, IF he would win his last fight on the contract of course.

You heard from Alistair that he went into the Werdum fight with an injury, and that Scott Coker knew this and told Alistair he HAD to fight, and if he would do that for him, he would give him time to "heal up" after the Werdum fight. "No worries, late fall is gonna be the finals", is what was said to Alistair, his trainer and management

Now, they suddenly changed the date, I believe it was because it fell on the same day as another event, but whatever the reason was (it doesn't really matter), Alistair was promised late fall, NOT early September.

Oh, and for people who wondered about this: why didn't Alistair tell the people he was injured right after his "not Alistair like" performance against Werdum? Because then the people could have understood why he was "off", right?

The reason of that is that Alistair hates people who look for excuses. He even said that Remy Bonjanski deserved an Oscar after he complained about a fight he lost; he also had hard words for Badr Hari when he complained why he lost against Alistair. So the last thing that Alistair wants to do, is be like the guys who he said looked for excuses. Otherwise people are gonna say “He’s complaining about those people, but he’s exactly the same!”

Now, the Big Foot fight, is probably the most important fight in his career, you don't think that he wants to be without injuries before he fights a guy like that?
Especially after fighting with an injury and not able to perform as usual. (he could have lost the fight against Werdum because of it).

And talking about injuries, why didn't StrikeForce ask for his medicals? Could it be because they already knew he was injured? Or did they simply want to get him out of that "Golden contract" that he had? I really don’t know what the reason is, but tell me, could it be something else? Because to me, it all looks weird, and you start getting those conspiracy theory's.

Like, could it be that during all the stress of selling the company, StrikeForce didn't realize what they were doing when making this, for Alistair really good, contract?

Or didn't it matter because they were selling the company anyway?

Because the fact that Alistair IS the StrikeForce heavyweight Champion (and only person in the world who holds a K1 World title and not 1, but 2 different MMA World titles), and that he DOES have a legitimate reason not to fight (X Rays plus letters from Doctors), makes me really wonder why they let him go.

And then, (if that's not weird enough), the next week they suddenly let the rest of GG go, Valentijn Overeem, OK, I expected that, he simply didn't fight, but Jon Olav Einemo (who they, by the way, also paid personally) was UFC and not StrikeForce. And Marloes Coenen after losing only her last fight, which was a World title fight they let her go!?

“They don’t like the management from GG”, is what I have been tweeted by MANY fans, and you know what? It really starts to look like this now.

But, then some of you will say, "Kharitanov is still there, they didn't fire him and he is also GG". Yes, that's true, but that could be true because otherwise everybody would have known 100% that it’s a "powerplay", (that’s what they call it on the internet).

Now we simply never "really know" what went on, all we can do is speculate and making conspiracy theories.

But, whatever the reasons are, the fans lose in this situation. Because the chances that Alistair is going to fight in the UFC now, are slim, and I don't know about you, but I would have loved to see Alistair versus Jr Dos Santos, two top strikers in an MMA match, hell yeah!

So let’s hope it get’s fixed!

 

[RosettaStoned]

Bas Rutten!

Was coming to post this...