Dave sees Bill Simmons' top-32 QBs and raises him with his top-32 QBs (NFL)

[Primetime]

Can you just explain why you said the Packers only have average receivers? I'd consider Jennings, Driver and Finley one of the best trios in the game.

 

[dave]

Can you just explain why you said the Packers only have average receivers? I'd consider Jennings, Driver and Finley one of the best trios in the game.

OK, I concede above average, but not elite.
Finley does have that potential though.
Driver an obviously reliable pro, but I doubt anyone puts Jennings in their top 10 of receivers.
In fairness, this system probably works better anyway, because you simply can't focus on one receiver as a D.

 

[dave]

If Sanchez is 17 then Freeman and Stafford is 17.A and 17.B. Im tired of dickheads praising Sanchez but shitting on Freeman in the same breath. Pretty much tells me you dont know shit.



Confirmed. Get a clue Dave

18 INTs, 20 sacks, 10 fumbles by one quarterback in 10 games = 28th on my list.
Like I said, Byron Leftwich Jr.
Big guy, strong arm, slow release, can't run.
Frankly, I saw nothing from his college stats that even make him seem like a first-round pick.
My guess is this guy will be replaced by his 3rd year by another high draft pick.
I'm not saying he's Jamarcus Russell, I just don't see anything special there.
He wasn't stunningly accurate in college, why would that suddenly change in the NFL?

He needs a better supporting cast before throwing him off the plank completely, but I never see Freeman becoming anywhere near an elite QB.

Sanchez helped get his team to the AFC Conference Finals, Stafford an elite talent who showed a lot of guts last year in Detroit.

Saying Freeman is their equal is just being a homer.

It would be like me saying Kevin Kolb is better than Donovan McNabb.

 

[NAHSTE]

Sanchez went to USC, plays in NY, and made the playoffs last year. Of course he's going to be more hyped than Freeman, who nobody saw play in college, and nobody sees play now because he plays on a bad team in a weak market.

That's why lists like this are silly, because whether it's dave or Bill Simmons or even half of these clowns on ESPN, normal people arent watching all of these games. It's only dorks and shut-ins like me & Stump The Schwab who stay up all night Sunday & Monday watching all the replays on the Sunday Ticket replay channels.

I'm one of the aforementioned dorks/shut ins and I can't stand to watch Freeman play. He's pretty average as a quarterback once you get past his tools. He was pretty average in college, I was amazed when he shot up the draft board like that.

Luckily, we get to play that shithouse team twice every year. :smug:

 

[Primetime]

Interested to see which trio's you think will have a more productive season this year than the Packers big 3.

 

[dave]

Interested to see which trio's you think will have a more productive season this year than the Packers big 3.

Actually, maybe I'm being a homer, but I think the Eagles' receivers will be more productive.
Jackson, supremely explosive.
Maclin, could unseat Jackson as the #1 guy this year.
Avant, rock solid in the slot
Celek, not Witten, but pretty damn good.

 

[Sigona]

Mark Sanchez threw 20 INTs and 12 TDs last season leading to a whooping 63.0 passer rating. You're a fucking idiot if you thing he's a middle of the pack quarterback. He hasn't looked great in pre-season either. Our ground game made up for his dumb mistakes last year. He lost us the game against New Orleans last season by throwing a pick six and fumbling in the end zone. Against Buffalo, he threw 5 INTs and pretty much lost us that game too. Sanchez is not worthy of the 17th top QB in the NFL. Low twenties is even generous.

 

[dave]

Mark Sanchez threw 20 INTs and 12 TDs last season leading to a whooping 63.0 passer rating. You're a fucking idiot if you thing he's a middle of the pack quarterback. He hasn't looked great in pre-season either. Our ground game made up for his dumb mistakes last year. He lost us the game against New Orleans last season by throwing a pick six and fumbling in the end zone. Against Buffalo, he threw 5 INTs and pretty much lost us that game too. Sanchez is not worthy of the 17th top QB in the NFL. Low twenties is even generous.

Yet he owned the locker room. His teammates believe in him.
The guy has a certain charisma.
And he looked good in the playoffs when it mattered.
I think, as a Jets' fan, you're gonna be damn happy to have Mark Sanchez five years from now.

 

[Sigona]

Sanchez helped get his team to the AFC Conference Finals, Stafford an elite talent who showed a lot of guts last year in Detroit.

Saying Freeman is their equal is just being a homer.

Sanchez also almost cost his team a spot in the playoffs. See my above post. The running game got the team to the AFC championship game. When we abandoned the running game and only ran for 82 yards or so, we lost. That and Drew Coleman & Dwight Lowery sucking major :smughard:.

 

[dave]

I should do an NFL power rankings thread this year.

If this thread is any indicator, a power rankings thread might cause a heart attack or two.

 

[BigBucs]

18 INTs, 20 sacks, 10 fumbles by one quarterback in 10 games = 28th on my list.
Like I said, Byron Leftwich Jr.
Big guy, strong arm, slow release, can't run.
Frankly, I saw nothing from his college stats that even make him seem like a first-round pick.
My guess is this guy will be replaced by his 3rd year by another high draft pick.
I'm not saying he's Jamarcus Russell, I just don't see anything special there.
He wasn't stunningly accurate in college, why would that suddenly change in the NFL?

He needs a better supporting cast before throwing him off the plank completely, but I never see Freeman becoming anywhere near an elite QB.

Sanchez helped get his team to the AFC Conference Finals, Stafford an elite talent who showed a lot of guts last year in Detroit.

Saying Freeman is their equal is just being a homer.

It would be like me saying Kevin Kolb is better than Donovan McNabb.

Dave you dont know what the fuck you are talking about. Just stop. You dont and havent watched him play. You basing you argument off of stats?

 

[Sigona]

Yet he owned the locker room. His teammates believe in him.
The guy has a certain charisma.
And he looked good in the playoffs when it mattered.
I think, as a Jets' fan, you're gonna be damn happy to have Mark Sanchez five years from now.

Unless you are in the locker room and seeing something that I don't see on Hard Knocks, then you're wrong. Hard Knocks has shown that the Jets have no offensive emotional leader and Rex said it during the show. There's no chance in hell that a rookie owns a locker room, sorry Dave lol.

 

[dave]

Dave you dont know what the fuck you are talking about. Just stop.

Don't worry Bucs, I understand.
I still defend Todd Pinkston.

 

[Primetime]

The only reason the Eagles WR's could possibly outproduce the Packers' is because of their offensive system. Even with that offensive system, I'll be willing to do any kind of bet with you that the Packers' weapons dominate the Eagles'

You can have Jackson, Maclin, Avant and Celek
I'll take Jennings, Driver, Jones, and Finley

 

[dave]

The only reason the Eagles WR's could possibly outproduce the Packers' is because of their offensive system. Even with that offensive system, I'll be willing to do any kind of bet with you that the Packers' weapons dominate the Eagles'

You can have Jackson, Maclin, Avant and Celek
I'll take Jennings, Driver, Jones, and Finley

You'd take Jackson and Maclin over Jennings and Driver in a heartbeat.
Rodgers with those two would pass for 5,000 yards easily.
And you'd get Jackson returning punts.

 

[BigBucs]

Don't worry Bucs, I understand.
I still defend Todd Pinkston.

Thats cool. Imma tell you to suck dick Canuck when you come trying to eat your crow.

 

[Primetime]

I'd take Jennings and Driver over Jackson and Maclin in a heartbeat. If it wasn't for Jackson's returning abilities, I would consider it lopsided.

 

[Primetime]

Packers and Eagles meet week 1. We can make some kind of bet on the first game alone.

 

[nflman2033]

Opinions are like assholes, every has one. I just happen to be a big asshole.

No opinions are like assholes, and yours stinks.

 

[Rayman]

Dave you dont know what the fuck you are talking about. Just stop.

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