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Dave sees Bill Simmons' top-32 QBs and raises him with his top-32 QBs (NFL)

Dave- If I help you paint your Living room..do you you promise to stop making lists ?

Its a bitch ranking an entire league of positions kudos for trying.. most I dont argue with. But the top5 are just odd spots. If you cant get those right what hope do you have of me trusting 24-30 =-).


Im eager to see Kolb-McNabb by mid season.

The eagles front staff sure doesnt have McNabb in the top 10. You dont let a top 10 go to a division rival.

Fans or Eagles front office..whos smarter ?
We'll see by mid season.
 
Would just like to say....Jermichael Finley this year will be >>>> Jason Witten.

I'd take Jennings, Driver, and Jones over Austin, Williams, and Bryant any day of the week.
I'd still take Witten over Finley at this point, but I'm a huge Finley homer and I truly believe he'll blow all other TE's out of the water this season.
 
You definitely get kudos for having the balls to make a list. As such, you have to be open to criticism. I mostly agree with the list, but all the spots are so difficult to manage. The top five is so highly debatable and everything after 15 is basically a clusterfuck.

In any case, you have to be accepting of people disagreeing and having their own arguments. Don't get offended or anything.

I don't think Sanchez should be ahead of as many people as he is... My top ten:

1 - Peyton... In a league with rules to help the offense, and littered with some amazing talent at the QB position, he still seems to stand heads and shoulders above the rest. Still, the interception returned for a TD in the Super Bowl is not helping his case to stay atop the pile.

2 - Drew Brees... He's one of the league's most accurate passers and he just won the Super Bowl. So fuck it, he's here. You don't have to like it, it's my damned list.

3 - Tom Brady... I feel like he's going to drop off, and I don't foresee another Super Bowl in his future. That said, he's been one of the best of his generation, and possibly of all time.

4 - Phillip Rivers. I knew I was forgetting somebody. So I had to move him into the slot and move Rodgers down. I don't personally like Phyllis, but I feel like he elevates the play of those around him nearly as much as the three guys above him. He's a really good player, as much as it pains me to say that. Vincent Jackson - despite what he may think - will not be the same without him.

5 - Aaron Rodgers... Because I refuse to rank Favre ahead of him. I'm just a hater that way. He's immensely talented, puts up stats, seems to have intangibles... He's one of the most mobile pocket passers in the league, and it's a foregone conclusion in my mind that he's going to win a championship before all is said and done.

6 - Tony Romo. Again, Favre hate. I think he's actually underrated. He gets a lot of hate for seemingly no reason. Yes, the fucked up hold was a big deal... It was also four years ago. He and Aaron Rodgers seem to be, to some extent, the next Peyton-Brady rivalry. If those are the best at "tier 1", these two are the best at "tier 2".

7 - Brett Favre. I know many of you are hoping I'm wrong, but whatever. He's hurt, he's old, he should've stopped playing a while ago. He's perennially inconsistent and I don't think there's any good reason for him to keep playing. It's possible that "#4" should've been ranked at number four... But I'm a hater, so he's here, instead. Last year was possibly his greatest of all time (remember that he once played in a league that didn't have all these rules to make QBs look good). He's one of the top quarterbacks of all time, BUT HE'S INCONSISTENT. And that's why he's not higher. He threw 22 interceptions in 2008, one of the two times he's led the league in interceptions in the last five years. This sandwiched between his great 2007 and 2009 seasons makes this year's results debatable right now. The games have yet to be played... BUT, he does elevate the play of those around him, though he has played with some good and great guys.

8 - Ben Roethlisberger. Rapelisberger is a good player. I can't bring myself to rank him higher (again, hater-ism) or lower (because I don't wan to hear too much bitchiness). Personally, I would, honestly, taken any of the guys I have ranked above him before him for one game, all the marbles.

9 - Donovan McNabb. I think he's a certifiable great. He probably hasn't done enough to get into the Hall of Fame when it's all said and done, but I still like him. Plus, I'd be remiss to not try and squeeze a black guy on here. There, I said it. Racist homerism.

10 - Matt Schaub. He lead the league in passing last year. I don't think of him as an amazing player, but he did something amazing in that. And it's much discussed that he has an inconsistent running game and a shitty/average offensive line. Maybe he'd be even better if those positions were upgraded. Maybe top five. As it stands, though, he's number ten because he's never led a team past 8-8 (yes, yes, I know... it's a team effort.) and because I wanted to figure out a way to leave Elisha off.
 
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out of curiosity, not really taking sides in the debate, but I would like to know what that play had to do with how good of a QB Romo is.
 
Let's say Drew Brees never wins another playoff game. Would dave's ranking look so bad in hindsight?

Lets say Big Ben rapes another 20 year old in a bathroom stall. Is he still better than Brees and all the other guys? That's a big "what if".. and that's all you're basically saying right here. The Top 32 list is, presumably based off of present-day achievements and accolades, of which.. right now.. Drew Brees is hands down a better all around quarterback than Roethlisberger. It greatly helps his resume that Brees happened to win a Super Bowl, in doing so.. beating 3 surefire HOF quarterbacks along the way.. and not just beating them, but outplaying EACH of them.

Warner2BruceTD said:
Everyone who wins a SB is always massively overated the next year. If Favre runs out of bounds for a 4 yard gain, and the Vikings go on to beat Indy, you'd have people putting Favre #1 and Brees around #10, and no one would blink. Brees had trouble performing in the clutch his entire career before last year.

If a litiny of flags weren't thrown against the Seahawks and Jerramy Stevens acquired a pair of hands.. Matt Hasselbeck would have a Super Bowl ring too. If Asante Samuel secures an interception that hits him square in the hands, the Patriots go 19-0. There are a lot of what-if's .. none of that matters because they didn't happen. They are what they are. The Saints beat the Vikings that day and outplayed the Colts in the Super Bowl two weeks later. A major reason for that was the play of Drew Brees. And no.. no one would place Brees around the neighborhood of Matt Schaub and Vince Young. Irregardless of Brees winning the championship last season, he's in the upper echelon of QB's and it's really not all that arguable right now.

The "clutch" thing.. well Peyton Manning had that same bugaboo early on in his career, now he's considered one of the all-time greats.. including by yourself when you deemed him to be the greatest QB ever.

Warner2BruceTD said:
Every bounce and break went the Saints way. I think #4 is fair. Guy had a nothing resume for 8 years. He's no lock to repeat anything he did last year.

Of course every bounce and break went the Saints way, that's what happens to championship teams. You need luck to get through a 16 game season + 3 postseason games. But Drew Brees and the Saints made a lot of their own luck too.

A "nothing" resume is also a major stretch. I suppose in terms of a postseason record, yeah he wasn't exactly Joe Montana.. but this wasn't the first year Brees put forth a great season. He's been doing it for much of his career so far.

Rankings like individual records are all fluid and change week-to-week, year-to-year.. who knows, Brees could suck it up this year and Roethlisberger could lead Pittsburgh back into a Super Bowl? But as of now.. September 5th, 2010.. Drew Brees is better than Ben Roethlisberger.
 
While I don't think Ben The Raper is as good as the upper tier guys, I disagree with the last statement. Watch Dennis Dixon or Byron Leftwich "run" the Steelers offense, and tell me The Raper isnt as important as the others. He has a knack for making something out of nothing, like few others do in the league. The Steelers, despite the stereotype, have largely been a passing team during the Raper era.

I think we can all agree that Dennis Dixon, who will be running the Steelers offense, is a well below average NFL QB. So you're right, I expect the Steelers offense to look like crap. However, if the Steelers had a decent backup their offense wouldn't suffer nearly as much as if that same average QB replaced Brees or Manning.
 
out of curiosity, not really taking sides in the debate, but I would like to know what that play had to do with how good of a QB Romo is.

Someone was making excuses that it was not solely Romo's fault in any of the Cowboys playoff losses or something like that.
 
Dave- If I help you paint your Living room..do you you promise to stop making lists ?

Its a bitch ranking an entire league of positions kudos for trying.. most I dont argue with. But the top5 are just odd spots. If you cant get those right what hope do you have of me trusting 24-30 =-).


Im eager to see Kolb-McNabb by mid season.

The eagles front staff sure doesnt have McNabb in the top 10. You dont let a top 10 go to a division rival.

Fans or Eagles front office..whos smarter ?
We'll see by mid season.
I still think McNabb is a top 10 NFL quarterback, but I also think the Eagles did the right thing by McNabb and for the organization.
They didn't want to screw the guy over by sending him to a team like Buffalo or St. Louis, and at the same time knew it was time to move on.
The Eagles peaked with McNabb and Kolb had one year left on his deal too, so they had to make a choice.
I love how all the analysts are saying Kolb is the next Aaron Rodgers, but I have to see it to believe it. The jury is still out. Michael Vick does make a nice injury policy though.
McNabb is really going to miss his Eagles' receivers (who'da thunk it) but will love the more-balanced playcalling from Shanahan.

IMO, the Eagles' biggest weakness on offence is their playcalling. McNabb was getting killed back there. Someone has to convince Reid that's it's ok to run the ball.
 
I know it's been said 10 times before......but I'm still baffled at the thought that someone would choose Roethlisberger to lead their team over Brees.

This is one of those cases where I'm sure Roethlisberger would even be surprised at that pick.
 
I know it's been said 10 times before......but I'm still baffled at the thought that someone would choose Roethlisberger to lead their team over Brees.

This is one of those cases where I'm sure Roethlisberger would even be surprised at that pick.

I stand by my argument.
I'm hungry. Go get my fries.
 
lol. It just bugs me that you - like so many others on this site - find your opinion inarguable, as if everyone else is simply lost for not thinking like you do.
 
If Sanchez is 17 then Freeman and Stafford is 17.A and 17.B. Im tired of dickheads praising Sanchez but shitting on Freeman in the same breath. Pretty much tells me you dont know shit.

28. Josh Freeman
I don't get the whole Josh Freeman thing. Maybe I don't watch Tampa Bay games enough. All I see is Byron Leftwich Jr.

Confirmed. Get a clue Dave
 
If Sanchez is 17 then Freeman and Stafford is 17.A and 17.B. Im tired of dickheads praising Sanchez but shitting on Freeman in the same breath. Pretty much tells me you dont know shit.



Confirmed. Get a clue Dave

I knew BB would have beef. I was just waiting.
 
I knew BB would have beef. I was just waiting.

Why wouldnt I? Sanchez, Freeman and Stafford had pretty much the same type of years last year not to mention both Stafford and Sanchez were opening day starters and had more to work with (Sanchez more so than Stafford) than Freeman.

Sanchez had a great run game, Keller, Edwards, Cotchery and Holmes not to mention a good O-Line. Stafford had Calvin Johnson at least. Freeman had Winslow and Sammy Stroughter to a certain degree. Putting any of these QBs head and shoulders above one another is a misinformed indivisual buying into the bullshit they see on ESPN. Freeman can make any throw they can, has a bigger arm, has a better QB build body wise and can make plays with his feet.

Byron Leftwich couldnt move and had a release stuck in quicksand. How the hell is he Byron Leftwich 2.0? Dave simply should have said I dont know shit about TB like most analyst should when trying to access our talent. Nobody but TB fans watches TB.
 
Sanchez went to USC, plays in NY, and made the playoffs last year. Of course he's going to be more hyped than Freeman, who nobody saw play in college, and nobody sees play now because he plays on a bad team in a weak market.

That's why lists like this are silly, because whether it's dave or Bill Simmons or even half of these clowns on ESPN, normal people arent watching all of these games. It's only dorks and shut-ins like me & Stump The Schwab who stay up all night Sunday & Monday watching all the replays on the Sunday Ticket replay channels.
 
lol. It just bugs me that you - like so many others on this site - find your opinion inarguable, as if everyone else is simply lost for not thinking like you do.

Opinions are like assholes, every has one. I just happen to be a big asshole.
 
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