Dell's Pointless Lists - Greatest Black Quarterbacks

[Goober]

For some reason I thought Plunkett was native american but I'll give you that if true. Tony Romo is from Illinois you sure he's a Mexican?

Tony Romo is from Wisconsin. Same home town as me!

 

[FedEx227]

Romo is a Second-Generation Mexican American on his father's side and is of German and Polish descent from his mother's side.[27] His grandfather, Ramiro Romo Sr., emigrated from Múzquiz, Coahuila, Mexico to San Antonio, Texas as an adolescent. The elder Romo cites Tony's success as an example of the possibilities afforded to immigrants in the United States: "I've always said this is a country of opportunities. If you don't get a job or an education, it's because you don't want to."[28][29]

He's from Wisconsin. He did go to Eastern Illinois.

And why would living in Illinois mean you aren't Mexican? LOL.

This isn't 1910.

 

[shag773]

Not sure I'm following your logic, especially since he played on some of the best offensive teams of his era. Aside from that, what he "would've done" is irrelevant. I love Moon, but McNabb has gotten his team to 5 conference championship games and a Super Bowl.

There was a reason why Moon never made it to Super Bowls. The offensive philosophy made good defensive teams bad, and bad defenses look awful. And I'm not talking about who they played, but the defense they were playing with. The year they were up 35-3 against the Bills at half, they ended up throwing the ball 50 times vs 20 runs. Even Andy Reed shakes his head at that. He put up numbers that McNabb will never come close to. McNabb at 32 yrs old is closing out his career. At 32 Warren was in the process of writing his hall of fame resume. Again I'm an Eagles fan and I am still holding out hope the McNabb will bring a championship.

 

[Nukleopatra]

Dell, why don't you make a top 10 all-time basketball players.

I'm curious to see where you rank Earl Manigault... Another complete fucking loser, that nobody should even bother remembering.

 

[FedEx227]

Somehow I think he'll have more players to work with in a list of all-time NBAers.

Plus, why would Earl Manigault be on an all-NBA list... when he never played in the NBA.

 

[Nukleopatra]

Somehow I think he'll have more players to work with in a list of all-time NBAers.

Plus, why would Earl Manigault be on an all-NBA list... when he never played in the NBA.

Corrected.

I meant basketball players.

 

[NAHSTE]

He's from Wisconsin. He did go to Eastern Illinois.

And why would living in Illinois mean you aren't Mexican? LOL.

This isn't 1910.

Because being born in Illinois, or in Romo's case Wisconsin, would make him American automatically? There is 100% chance you are NOT a Mexican if you are born in Wisconsin and speak perfect English along with both of your parents. If Romo is Mexican, I'm a 6'10 black guy who plays Center for the Atlanta Hawks.

 

[Senser81]

There was a reason why Moon never made it to Super Bowls. The offensive philosophy made good defensive teams bad, and bad defenses look awful. And I'm not talking about who they played, but the defense they were playing with. The year they were up 35-3 against the Bills at half, they ended up throwing the ball 50 times vs 20 runs. Even Andy Reed shakes his head at that. He put up numbers that McNabb will never come close to. McNabb at 32 yrs old is closing out his career. At 32 Warren was in the process of writing his hall of fame resume. Again I'm an Eagles fan and I am still holding out hope the McNabb will bring a championship.

LOL, if you are blaming the offense for blowing a 35-3 lead, then you must not watch football ever. That game in particular you must never have seen. In the 2nd half, I remember the Oilers special teams getting a FG blocked and giving up an onside kick. I remember the defense not covering Beebe on one play and not covering Andre Reed on two plays...all of them TDs. And you blame the offense for that?

 

[shag773]

LOL, if you are blaming the offense for blowing a 35-3 lead, then you must not watch football ever. That game in particular you must never have seen. In the 2nd half, I remember the Oilers special teams getting a FG blocked and giving up an onside kick. I remember the defense not covering Beebe on one play and not covering Andre Reed on two plays...all of them TDs. And you blame the offense for that?

LOL I watched that game in particular, and I have watched plenty of football. The Oilers shit the bed on offense, defense, and special teams that game. That fact that the offense only had 7 offensive plays in the 3rd quarter and 0 first downs had as much to do with bringing Buffalo back in the game as blown coverages in the secondary and the 2 turnovers on kickoffs.

There is a reason why the Run n Shoot was quickly shuffled out of the NFL in the early to mid nineties, and it sure as hell wasn't because of all the Super Bowls it produced. While the Run n Shoot did pad his numbers, it's still amazing that he put those numbers up well into his thirties. While McNabb is a great quarterback and he does have 5 championship appearences and a Super Bowl appearance, Moon's astounding career numbers cancel that out. Moon is in the hall of Fame. Unless McNabb wins a Super Bowl or passes for over 45,000 yards (he's at almost 30,000 now) he will not be in the hall of fame. As of now, I'll take Warren Moon, the Hall of Famer over Donavan McNabb, the borderline Hall of Famer.

 

[Senser81]

LOL I watched that game in particular, and I have watched plenty of football. The Oilers shit the bed on offense, defense, and special teams that game. That fact that the offense only had 7 offensive plays in the 3rd quarter and 0 first downs had as much to do with bringing Buffalo back in the game as blown coverages in the secondary and the 2 turnovers on kickoffs.

No way. I would assume that the Bills recovering an onside kick in the 3rd quarter also played into the fact that Houston only had 7 offensive plays in the quarter...wouldn't you? Do you understand what an onside kick is?

The blown coverages in the 2nd half basically handed the Bills 3 uncontested TDs. The special teams blew a FG and gave the Bills an onside kick which eventually resulted in a TD...so thats a 10-point swing right there. 31 points already given to the Bills in the 2nd half.

The Oilers scored 38 points in the game...how many points do you expect Warren Moon to score? 55? 63?

 

[shag773]

No way. I would assume that the Bills recovering an onside kick in the 3rd quarter also played into the fact that Houston only had 7 offensive plays in the quarter...wouldn't you? Do you understand what an onside kick is?

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After the onside kick the Oilers were up 35-17 with 8 minutes left to go in the 4th quarter. The Oilers had three possesions in those eight miniutes. 7 pass plays, 1 intercpetion, and 2 three and outs. Was it the only reason they lost, of course not. Was the fact the offense could not at least get 1 first down in three possesions contribute as much as the mistakes made defensively and on special teams? It does for me. Your looking at the points and saying the offense did it's job. But sustaining a drive where you can get at least a first down or two, take some time off the clock and give a reeling defense time to catch it's breath probably would have won that game for them.

 

[Senser81]

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After the onside kick the Oilers were up 35-17 with 8 minutes left to go in the 4th quarter. The Oilers had three possesions in those eight miniutes. 7 pass plays, 1 intercpetion, and 2 three and outs. Was it the only reason they lost, of course not. Was the fact the offense could not at least get 1 first down in three possesions contribute as much as the mistakes made defensively and on special teams? It does for me. Your looking at the points and saying the offense did it's job. But sustaining a drive where you can get at least a first down or two, take some time off the clock and give a reeling defense time to catch it's breath probably would have won that game for them.

Once again, you are wrong.


The Bills got a huge assist to start their comeback on the ensuing kickoff. The wind altered the ball just before it was kicked by Al Del Greco. As a result, it became an unintentional squib kick that the Bills recovered with great field position at midfield. Buffalo then drove 50 yards in 10 plays, including a pass to Pete Metzelaars that went right through Linebacker Eddie Robinson's hands, and scored with a 1-yard touchdown run by Davis, cutting the deficit to 35–10. On the drive, Reich completed a 24-yard pass to tight end Pete Metzelaars and a 16-yard strike to Andre Reed, while Davis kept the drive going with a 5-yard run on fourth down and 2 before finishing it off with a touchdown run with 8:52 left in the 3rd quarter.

Christie then recovered his own onside kick and the Bills scored on the fourth play of their ensuing drive with Reich's 38-yard touchdown pass to wide receiver Don Beebe, making the score 35-17 with 7:46 left in the third quarter.

Notice that in addition to the onside kick, the Oilers also botched a kickoff of their own, giving the Bills a short field.

You obviously never watched the game because you have no idea what you are talking about. The Oilers special teams and defense gave the game to the Bills. There is no way the offense is equally culpable.

 

[MrBill]

Because being born in Illinois, or in Romo's case Wisconsin, would make him American automatically? There is 100% chance you are NOT a Mexican if you are born in Wisconsin and speak perfect English along with both of your parents. If Romo is Mexican, I'm a 6'10 black guy who plays Center for the Atlanta Hawks.

I wouldn't say that Romo is checking Hispanic on job applications but he does embrace his family's roots here in Texas and Mexico. I think Jerry Jones likes to hype Romo's grandfather being from Mexico since 50% of the population here has at least some Hispanic heritage and it just makes them even bigger Cowboys fans. See the Spurs and Manu Ginobli for another example, except Manu is actually from Argentina.

 

[shag773]

Once again, you are wrong.


The Bills got a huge assist to start their comeback on the ensuing kickoff. The wind altered the ball just before it was kicked by Al Del Greco. As a result, it became an unintentional squib kick that the Bills recovered with great field position at midfield. Buffalo then drove 50 yards in 10 plays, including a pass to Pete Metzelaars that went right through Linebacker Eddie Robinson's hands, and scored with a 1-yard touchdown run by Davis, cutting the deficit to 35–10. On the drive, Reich completed a 24-yard pass to tight end Pete Metzelaars and a 16-yard strike to Andre Reed, while Davis kept the drive going with a 5-yard run on fourth down and 2 before finishing it off with a touchdown run with 8:52 left in the 3rd quarter.

Christie then recovered his own onside kick and the Bills scored on the fourth play of their ensuing drive with Reich's 38-yard touchdown pass to wide receiver Don Beebe, making the score 35-17 with 7:46 left in the third quarter.

Notice that in addition to the onside kick, the Oilers also botched a kickoff of their own, giving the Bills a short field.

You obviously never watched the game because you have no idea what you are talking about. The Oilers special teams and defense gave the game to the Bills. There is no way the offense is equally culpable.

I watched the game live aand I have the game on tape. I've seen the whole game at least tw or three times, albeit a couple years ago.

The botched kickoff happened after the Oilers ran back an interception to start the second half. The Bills scored, making it 35-10. Then the onside kick recovery, and the Bills score again, making it 35-17 with 7:46 left in the 3rd quarter. Up to this point I have agreed with you and never disputed this. Where we disagree is the 3 offensive possessions from the Oilers after that. 2 possesions where they were up by double digits and made no attempt to run the football, take time off the clock, or give them room to breathe. Also you failed to mention the two second half interceptions, the last one coming in overtime that set the Bills up in field goal range that won the game. You think defense and special teams are the main reasons why they lost that football game? Okay, I'm not saying your asssesment is ridiculous. But I give the offensive deficiencies in the second half more blame than you do. It's how I felt after watching the game the first time and the last time.

 

[Senser81]

Quick recap:

That fact that the offense only had 7 offensive plays in the 3rd quarter and 0 first downs had as much to do with bringing Buffalo back in the game as blown coverages in the secondary and the 2 turnovers on kickoffs.

No way. I would assume that the Bills recovering an onside kick in the 3rd quarter also played into the fact that Houston only had 7 offensive plays in the quarter...wouldn't you?

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After the onside kick the Oilers were up 35-17 with 8 minutes left to go in the 4th quarter.

Once again, you are wrong.


The Bills got a huge assist to start their comeback on the ensuing kickoff. The wind altered the ball just before it was kicked by Al Del Greco. As a result, it became an unintentional squib kick that the Bills recovered with great field position at midfield. Buffalo then drove 50 yards in 10 plays, including a pass to Pete Metzelaars that went right through Linebacker Eddie Robinson's hands, and scored with a 1-yard touchdown run by Davis, cutting the deficit to 35–10. On the drive, Reich completed a 24-yard pass to tight end Pete Metzelaars and a 16-yard strike to Andre Reed, while Davis kept the drive going with a 5-yard run on fourth down and 2 before finishing it off with a touchdown run with 8:52 left in the 3rd quarter.

Christie then recovered his own onside kick and the Bills scored on the fourth play of their ensuing drive with Reich's 38-yard touchdown pass to wide receiver Don Beebe, making the score 35-17 with 7:46 left in the third quarter.

The botched kickoff happened after the Oilers ran back an interception to start the second half. The Bills scored, making it 35-10. Then the onside kick recovery, and the Bills score again, making it 35-17 with 7:46 left in the 3rd quarter. Up to this point I have agreed with you and never disputed this.

ROFLCOPTER!

Just stop. You have disputed everything I've said, even when you are factually incorrect. Your last point of Moon throwing 2 INTs is kinda funny. If you remember, the INT in OT was bogus, because the Oiler WR was blatantly held by Daryl Talley. And, if you remember, the reason the game was in OT was because Moon led the offense down the field to kick the game-tying FG at the end of regulation. The Bills were up 38-35 and Moon led the Oilers back. The Oiler defense and special teams had a collapse of monumental proportions, which also kept the ball out of the Oilers' offense hands. I still don't understand how an onside kick somehow reflects poorly on the Oilers offense.

 

[shag773]

The first post stated my opinion. The second post stated your opinion. The third post was me making a statement about what actually happened in the game. The fourth post is you copying and pasting a game summary from wikipedia that ends with pretty much the same statement I made. Than the last posting is me pretty much saying the same thing in the game summary you posted that was supposed to prove that I am wrong. You are losing here big guy. Let me try and simplifly this for you.

1. The first time the Oilers touched the ball was with 7:46 left in the third quarter.

2. The Oilers had 3 possessions in the third quarter.

3. First Possession 3 passes and a punt. Bills score again. 35-24

4. Second Possesion 1 pass, and an INT. Bills score again, 35-31

5. Third possession, 1 first down (Looked it up) and a punt. End of quarter.

I believe doing nothing with those three possessions contributed equally to the loss. I'm not talking about scoring points, but at least a few first downs and running some clock You lay more blame on defense and special teams. That is our main disagreement.

I apologize for hijacking the thread.

 

[Senser81]

The first post stated my opinion. The second post stated your opinion. The third post was me making a statement about what actually happened in the game. The fourth post is you copying and pasting a game summary from wikipedia that ends with pretty much the same statement I made. Than the last posting is me pretty much saying the same thing in the game summary you posted that was supposed to prove that I am wrong. You are losing here big guy. Let me try and simplifly this for you.

1. The first time the Oilers touched the ball was with 7:46 left in the third quarter.

2. The Oilers had 3 possessions in the third quarter.

3. First Possession 3 passes and a punt. Bills score again. 35-24

4. Second Possesion 1 pass, and an INT. Bills score again, 35-31

5. Third possession, 1 first down (Looked it up) and a punt. End of quarter.

I believe doing nothing with those three possessions contributed equally to the loss. I'm not talking about scoring points, but at least a few first downs and running some clock You lay more blame on defense and special teams. That is our main disagreement.

I apologize for hijacking the thread.

When I said that having an onside kick recovered against you would limit the offense's play total for that period, you responded by saying the Bills recovered their onside kick in the 4th quarter. Perhaps that was just a mistake on your part, but you also never admitted that the onside kick in the 3rd period limited the total plays the Oilers ran in the 3rd period.

 

[shag773]

Oh, yeah I'm sorry. I see what you're saying now. I meant 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. I'm not saying the onside kick didn't limit the offensive plays, I'm just saying the 3 possessions they did have should of produced more and ran more clock. They handed the ball over three more times in the last part of the quarter that produced 14 more points. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Senser81]

Oh, yeah I'm sorry. I see what you're saying now. I meant 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. I'm not saying the onside kick didn't limit the offensive plays, I'm just saying the 3 possessions they did have should of produced more and ran more clock. They handed the ball over three more times in the last part of the quarter that produced 14 more points. That's all I'm saying.

OK...lets hug it out.

 

[shag773]

Ok....no homo