Did the 2007 Draft Completely Suck?

[Nukleopatra]

%First Downs/Reception.

Louis Murphy is rated higher at 76%.

Calvin Johnson isn't even in the top 15.

Did I beat the limit?

 

[wr50l]

You sure did, but only by a few seconds.

Regardless of your performance tonight though any rational mind still knows Calvin Johnson is a decent player. But it was a good effort.

 

[Nukleopatra]

You sure did, but only by a few seconds.

Regardless of your performance tonight though any rational mind still knows Calvin Johnson is a decent player. But it was a good effort.

I never said he wasn't decent. I actually think the word ''decent'' is the perfect fit.

He's a decent player, with a ton of talent - but decent isn't good enough, when you're picked as high as he was. I think we can agree on that much.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Nuk lost all credibility when he changed his avatar

 

[Awesometrax]

I love how Nuk fails to mention who Calvin Johnson's QB's have been since he's been in the league. I also like how he fails to mention that he watched approximately 35 seconds of Lions games this year and has no idea that Calvin was literally double OR triple-teamed on every single play. EVERY. SINGLE. PLAY. No teams were worried about Bryant fucking Johnson burning them.

He's the same guy who bashes Drew Brees and yet is a huge Tony Romo fan. I think that's about all you need to know.

Back on topic... I do think the 2007 was a pretty weak one... and in terms of QBs, good god that might be the worst QB draft class ever.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

I love how Nuk fails to mention who Calvin Johnson's QB's have been since he's been in the league. I also like how he fails to mention that he watched approximately 35 seconds of Lions games this year and has no idea that Calvin was literally double OR triple-teamed on every single play. EVERY. SINGLE. PLAY. No teams were worried about Bryant fucking Johnson burning them.

You're stepping right into it.

 

[Obst]

Nuk did you mention that Calvin Johnson was the 9th most targeted receiver in the league this year (Thrown at 132 times) but only managed to bring in 67 of those passes (50.8%). That puts him in the ranks with Ted Ginn Jr, Donnie Avery and Mark Bradley with the percentage of passes he reels in. Also, Calvin was the most intercepted receiver when thrown at. 12 passes that went his way, he couldn't grab and resulted in a turnover.

 

[Nukleopatra]

Nuk did you mention that Calvin Johnson was the 9th most targeted receiver in the league this year (Thrown at 132 times) but only managed to bring in 67 of those passes (50.8%). That puts him in the ranks with Ted Ginn Jr, Donnie Avery and Mark Bradley with the percentage of passes he reels in. Also, Calvin was the most intercepted receiver when thrown at. 12 passes that went his way, he couldn't grab and resulted in a turnover.

No. I didn't.

But let's just blame it on Detroit and Matt Stafford.

Great find, by the way.

 

[Nukleopatra]

I love how Nuk fails to mention who Calvin Johnson's QB's have been since he's been in the league. I also like how he fails to mention that he watched approximately 35 seconds of Lions games this year and has no idea that Calvin was literally double OR triple-teamed on every single play. EVERY. SINGLE. PLAY. No teams were worried about Bryant fucking Johnson burning them.

Kle fails to mention that Roy Williams also had the same type of success in Detroit, and instead of being given the same benefit of the doubt as Calvin Johnson, he was labeled a bust. Why wasn't Roy Williams given the same benefit of the doubt? Because when you're drafted as high as he is, you're expected to play better than what he did - whether it's for Detroit, Cleveland, or the Patriots.

Let's compare Calvin Johnson/Roy Williams first three seasons in Detroit.

Roy Williams.

181 receptions, 2,814 yards, 23 TDs.

Calvin Johnson.

193 receptions, 3,071 yards, 21 TDs.

Roy Williams was considered a bust by his third season, and for good reason, because he wasn't playing up to expectations - but then again, he put up numbers close to Clavin Johnsons. So, it's Detroit's fault for that, too? It's Detroit's fault that Charles Rogers, and Mike Williams blew ass, too, right?

The only thing I blame Detroit for, is their lousy ability to scout WRs, and piss poor drafting. But since Detroit doesn't have many things going on for them, I'll shut up, and let you guys go back to thinking Calvin Johnson is more than a decent football player, with a ton of talent, who hasn't quite learned how to use it to his full ability - you know, kinda like.... Roy Williams.

 

[Fox1994]

Agreed.

I came in here to bash Calvin Johnson, not the tumor faced loser, who may or may not surpass Mark Sanchez in playoff wins tomorrow night.

Haha. You're fucking fantastic.

And how do you find all these stats?

In any case, the draft doesn't look all that bad to me, in hindsight... All these folk you showed us are at least decent. Some are good. Some are great.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I would say 2005 is the worst, i know oobl posted the list but here's another one i found

Chris Spencer is a bigger piece of shit than a lot of those players. How dare you NOT call him a bust. He only starts because his backups are undrafted players.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Ok, let's also fail to mention that Roy Williams had Charles Rogers and Mike Williams opposite of him, who, while they sucked dick, still kept Roy from being double-teamed because they weren't such the fails yet that they turned out to be.

Also, Mike Furrey was across from him, who was actually pretty damn good with Detroit. Who has Calvin Johnson had? Overrated Roy Williams and Bryant Johnson.

It don't mean shit if you can't catch the ball. I don't care if you're being covered by 11 guys, if you touch the ball, you catch the ball.

 

[Nukleopatra]

lol @ calling anyone overrated, while arguing in favor of Calvin Johnson.

So, Charles Rogers, and Mike Williams helped Roy Williams accomplish the same type of stats as Calvin Johnson, who is being held back by.... well, everyone. Gotcha, buddy.

 

[Buzzman]

That interception thing is fruity. After Stafford got hurt, Calvin had no shot at being a deep threat. Calvin cant catch long passes when Culpepper can only throw 30 yards. Way too many times this season Johnson beat the coverage to have the ball underthrown by 5-10 yards. Who woulda thought a rookie QB meant so much. Never thought I;d say this but once Stafford got hurt, I started missing Dan O.

BTW Roy Williams was never a bust in DET. He was sweet, but the thing that pissed people off was he would make incredible catches, but then when it came to the easy ones, he'd dop them. The season he got traded, his attitude was poor, he complained a lot, and felt Calvin was stealing his "thunder", then when he go traded to Dallas, idk wtf happened, all of a sudden he sucked and couldnt do shit. I think he was a bust for Dallas, but a good WR for DET.

 

[NAHSTE]

Ok, let's also fail to mention that Roy Williams had Charles Rogers and Mike Williams opposite of him, who, while they sucked dick, still kept Roy from being double-teamed because they weren't such the fails yet that they turned out to be.

Also, Mike Furrey was across from him, who was actually pretty damn good with Detroit. Who has Calvin Johnson had? Overrated Roy Williams and Bryant Johnson.

Lucky guy. Even Wes Welker is jealous of that situation.

 

[Obst]

I think that's funny, he says Roy Williams was lucky because he had guys like Charles Rodgers and Mike Williams (Both out of the league) and then Mike Furrey (Now a Browns DB) across from him, and all Calvin Johnson had was another number one receiver in Roy Williams lining up across from him.

 

[Sven Draconian]

Nobody said Roy Williams was a bust in his first 3 seasons. In fact, he was a pro-bowler after year 3. His issues started in year 4 when his attitude soured, and his production dropped. He had a steady improvement for 3 years, culminating in a 1300 yard effort and pro-bowl.

Fast forward one season and his production drops to under 900 yards in a season in which he sat out a lot with minor injuries. Still, hardly a bust. He would have hit 1000 on the season if he had played in every game (using YPG as a the pace).

One more season, even worse attitude and his production falls off big time through 5 games. Traded to Dallas, no improvement. Awful again this season. Now he's a bust.

Nobody called him a bust after his first 3 seasons in Detroit.

On to Calvin Johnson...
Decent enough Rookie campaign (considering Martz refused to use him early in the season). 750 yards isn't bad.

Year 2, he puts up an almost identical statline as Roy did in his 3rd season. 1300 yards, 12 TD.

Year 3 he puts up 984 yards (and 73 rushing yards...) in only 14 games. (Well on pace for over 1000 yards if he stays healthy).

Hmmm, ok...lets look at some "Elite" receivers

Andre Johnson: 976/1142/688 yards in his first 3 seasons.
Marvin Harrison: 844/866/776 in his first 3 (clearly a bust)
Larry Fitzgerald: 780/1409/946 (hmm, looks familiar)
Chad Johnson: 329/1166/1335 (What a bum, he's pretty far behind Johnson at this point)
Terrell Owens: 520/936/1097.....followed by a whopping 750 yard campagin. Might as well cut him.

Unless your only comparison point is Jerry Rice and Randy Moss, I guess you really don't have an arguement.

 

[Buzzman]

Sven, you also have to add that even thoguh he technically played in 14 games, in 2 of those games he aggrivated his knee injury within the 1st 5 minutes fo the agme and sat out the rest.

 

[Nukleopatra]

I can wait for years 4 and 5.

Gives me another bust to bash on. By year 5, though, when he continues his mediocre play, the whole ''it's detroit's fault'' will start to factor in.

Should we make a Megatron tracking thread?

 

[NAHSTE]

I just think it's funny that first round flame outs like Mike Williams and Charles Rogers are considered good supporting cast members but a first round pick who is actually still in the league like Bryant Johnson is not.