Do You Think Madden 10 Will Deliver?

[Houston]

Well IMO it doesn't really matter. Pretty much the same amount of people is going to buy it either way it goes.

 

[Esjay]

Well IMO it doesn't really matter. Pretty much the same amount of people is going to buy it either way it goes.

Which is precisely the reason the game will never reach it's full potential.

 

[kmanharris]

can any video game ever reach its full potential?

 

[Esjay]

can any video game ever reach its full potential?

Several games have come really close. Madden hasn't.

 

[Houston]

Several games have come really close. Madden hasn't.

After God knows how many years of tryin.......

 

[kmanharris]

Several games have come really close. Madden hasn't.

How do you know what a games full potential is?

 

[adembroski]

How do you know what a games full potential is?

Some people just know!

 

[Steel Mamba]

lol, nah I don't think it will. 2 titles later and they're just now putting in the same technology/features that 2k had back with APF. It's pitiful really. Maybe Madden will finally be just as good, but they're still a year away from being capable of surpassing it.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Don't we go through this every year?

07 came out, people where pissed, but 08 was going to be incredible, hype was up there, people were talking, videos online where mesmerizing, then the game came out, it was fun for a month, and then started to get like 07, the same thing happened in Madden 09, where it was pushed and pushed as the Greatest Football game that was ever going to come out, and lo and behold, it surely doesn't deliver.

Madden 09 was the first Madden I'd ever taken back and traded in, I couldn't stand the game, it just wasn't any fun to me.

2K was a great game and all but it had its flaws too, I just wish Madden would get some animations like 2K had.

take this for example, 2K had this in 2K5

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTAFhphmTss"]YouTube - nfl 2k5 right stick juke[/ame]

now Madden doesn't have anything like that, and if you think about it, there is no real way to actually shake a defender in madden or NCAA other then chopping your feet or hitting the juke stick left or right, which just makes the guy hop. at least madden on the xbox and ps2 tried to get the studder step feel in there it still was shit compared to what 2K had there.

look at this, this is 2K's latest game, which was a total piece of shit in my opinion, but animation and player movement wise they still blew ANYTHING madden has, or even had, out of the fucking water.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je8QVuAfdWY&feature=related"]YouTube - APF 2k8 - Randall Cunningham QB Avoid[/ame]

at :4 you see something that you never see in Madden, even when 2K was doing something with Injuries, look at what they did here...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LODw6gJgqtk&feature=related"]YouTube - APF 2k8 realtime injury[/ame]

thats a real time injury, how many times do you see that in Madden?, want to know the sad thing, I saw that in NFL Gameday 2000 when I was a kid.

I'll leave my rant off with this...

now ignore the text in this video because its irrelevant to my statement, but watch the running of the punt returners in both games, and tell me which one is more realistic...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n27G-7-N6Jk&feature=related"]YouTube - ESPN NFL 2K5 (PS2) Vs Madden 09(XBox360) - Punt Returns[/ame]

If madden could get this shit straight, I'd be a happy man.

 

[Aso]

Remember this is the end to the David Ortiz era and the beginning of the Ian Cummings era.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Don't we go through this every year?

07 came out, people where pissed, but 08 was going to be incredible, hype was up there, people were talking, videos online where mesmerizing, then the game came out, it was fun for a month, and then started to get like 07, the same thing happened in Madden 09, where it was pushed and pushed as the Greatest Football game that was ever going to come out, and lo and behold, it surely doesn't deliver.

Madden fans keep getting suckered year after year and keep lining up for more.

 

[packersfan4eva]

i think it'll be another epic fail

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

Well guys i think of it this way....video games are so dam advanced these days i think that it takes 3+ years to get it right....I mean we all loved the PS2 version, but that was an easier system, there is so much shit that can be done on these newer systems, the problem is, by the time its all perfect, sony and microsoft will come out with new systems and fuck it up again.

Video game designing is not an easy task, so I've been leniant, Madden is NOT garbage, these are actually good games, its just with no other market to compare too theres so much we expect but physically can not be delivered yet, EVERY SINGLE game has flaws of some sort, there is no way around it. Its easy to be like oh this game is shit, but if you ever realized the actual amount of work that goes into these, you would be surprised we even have what we have.

Sports games arent like shooters or platforms, they have a different style, while you play your Halo's and GOW and resistance and fallout, you dont want or need it to be as real as possible, but sports games HAVE to be for most people. I know there have been HUGE steps each year in next gen Madden titles...pick up Madden 06 for 5 dollars and 07 for 10 and you will see the changes we have gone through. I'm hopeful this year is closer to what we want but everybody wants different things, they can't cater to all our needs, and we all continue to play it nowing that its not as shitty as we might say it is.

/rant

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

I've felt the same way around this time of the year about the new madden every year. And every year I feel let down. I havent been able to sit down and play madden for 5+ hours straight every day of the week since PS2 Madden.

got job?

 

[dave]

I am cautiously optimistic.
But I have my doubts.
If David Ortiz was on the boards last year like Ian and Phil are right now, we'd probably be sharing adembroski's enthusiasm.

Simply being active members of a message board isn't enough for me. Ian and Phil have to deliver the goods. Until then, they're just EA employees hyping their product.

 

[adembroski]

I am cautiously optimistic.
But I have my doubts.
If David Ortiz was on the boards last year like Ian and Phil are right now, we'd probably be sharing adembroski's enthusiasm.

I doubt it. I've considered Ortiz the problem for years. He was the face and voice of Madden, and he was never about anything but making shit better for the tourney players. That's all he gave a damn about because that's what he was, and you could tell by the way he pushed the game.

Simply being active members of a message board isn't enough for me. Ian and Phil have to deliver the goods. Until then, they're just EA employees hyping their product.

Here's specifically where I take issue with a lot of your arguments... the word "hype"... hype is bullshit. Hype is "OMG, THIS SHIT IS HOT, IT'S GOING TO BLOW YOU AWAY"... there's no substance, and the Ortiz era gave nothing but hype.

So far, Ian's given substance. He hasn't said, "This will redefine football" or anything close too it. He's giving us substance... not back of the box "revolutionary" features like Ortiz did, but fundamental football. There's a striking difference.

I don't take issue with your stance. I respect it and goddamn well understand it. You know why you didn't see me dog Madden from '06-'08? Because I disliked the game so much I didn't bother. It wasn't worthy my time or my money. Everyone talking about "vote with your wallet", I did. I didn't buy Madden for 3 years. I finally bought '09, and while it wasn't what I was hoping for, it was a damn sight better than '08, and far more importantly, it showed to a limited extent what the platform they're making the game on is capable of (I'm specifically talking about the branching animations system for runningbacks).

But all the gameplay advancements combined from the first NextGen product to '09 don't equal what the blogs have already shown. Hell, the last two blogs alone blow away anything Ortiz did his entire time there... it's just a matter of tuning.

Maybe the tuning doesn't work, maybe we get a broken game. If that happens, I'll eat crow and I'll be damned if I ever buy another Madden again.

I did say in a previous post that I didn't think Madden 10 would surpass 2k5 in every way, and I'll give you a few examples.

* It's too far behind in presentation to make up the ground in one season, period. Wont happen. We'll see improvements, but if they concentrated enough on that to surpass 2k5, the gameplay would still be shit.

* I don't think the running game will quite get there... I think it'll be close though, but unless they do some major tuning for defensive player pursuit logic... specifically things like check-and-plug and outside containment, it wont be there. 2k5 didn't have that, but some other aspects of it helped make up for it.

* Computer Play calling... 2k5s wasn't great, but Madden's was horrid. I don't get the sense they're rewriting this from the bottom up, It seems more like they're going to tweak it the best they can within the platform they have, which means it's going to be another year of pretty much randomly selected plays with little rhyme or reason behind them. This is a HUGE one for me, and it'll be a big let down if they don't do something with it. Alas, I don't think they will.

* Defensive playbooks... once again, 2k5s wasn't great, but the fact that you could select stunts and shifts independently of the coverage call is a big one. I hate it when I'm looking for a good weak slant to help me shut down the running game, but I can't get it in a cover 3. It's already confirmed we wont see this this year, and it's one area 2k5 has in spades.

* Online... I don't expect we'll see the coveted online franchise this year. Nothing in particular out of Madden camp to suggest it wont, but it's hard to believe considering how much of the last NCAA cycle online dynasty took up to think Madden will be doing as much as it is and still have time and resources left over to get it done. 2k5 had very advanced online options for its time. Madden's too far behind here.

Then again, I'm a bit more of a realist than most 2k5 players. I know the game was flawed, and worse yet, I know the people who made it took MASSIVE short cuts that, if people knew what was going on under the hood, they'd be disgusted by it. The player inertia was non-existant before 2004, and poorly implemented in 2005 (try a screen pass if you wanna know what I mean... while you're player takes several seconds to recover from catching the ball, the defensive end who's bearing down on the QB suddenly morphs so that he's facing the other direction and is running full speed at the ball carrier). 2k5s playbooks always received SOOO much hype, but if you follow the evolution of offensive football, you realize that Madden is always 2-3 years behind the NFL, and 2k5 is always about 5 years behind Madden (actually, I'd be willing to say that APFs playbooks were the worst I've ever seen in a football game... they seem to have selected 2 or 3 basic passing concepts and repeated them ad nauseoum in different forms throughout the playbooks. How many drag routes of different depths can we fit in THIS play? Biggest reason I stopped playing the game, honestly. Sick of fucking drag routes).

PS: If you're gonna have a sig that size, at least make it nude?

 

[Saluki]

I refuse to pass judge a game thats nearly 6 months away, regardless of what logic you come up with for or against it the simple fact is that you just don't know enough to make anything like an educated answer.

 

[ThunderHorse]

and thats why I always played madden to get a real football feel.

because the playcalling was always so much more realistic.

then again, the defensive play calling in 2K made more sense, but when the playmaker came out and you where able to make line shifts manually it wasn't a big deal.

Madden still doesn't have the player movement 2K had, and thats what I want the most.

 

[dave]

PS: If you're gonna have a sig that size, at least make it nude?

The Vandervoort doesn't do nude ... and told me the sig isn't big enough.

 

[adembroski]

Are you guys serious? The player movement of the 2k series? You mean linebackers that can warp through themselves and suddenly be running in the opposite direction at full speed with no deceleration?