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Does Ron Santo belong in the HOF?

1) I have listen to B&B almost every day, and while they do have a tendency to go off-track with inside jokes, they have a tremendous amount of sports talk because, well, they are a sports radio station.

I can't tell you what to like and what not to like, but to say Terry Boers and Dan Bernstein "have a tendency to go off-track with inside jokes" is like saying John Daly has a tendency to take a drink every now and then. For a radio crew to tell inside jokes is highly unprofessional, because they lose the audience...Boers & Bernstein base their entire show on inside jokes. Its ridiculous.

Its difficult to argue with your logic-based assessment that Boers & Bernstein have a tremendous amount of sports talk because 'they are a sports radio station'. First, they are a radio show, not the entire station. Second, we can use your same logic path and say "Jay Fiedler is tremendous at passing the football because, well, he is a quarterback".

I would be hard-pressed to give many examples of a 'tremendous amount of sports talk' being done on ANY sports radio show. Mac, Jurko & Harry never offered much insight into the sporting world, but at least they weren't as annoying as hell like Boers & Bernstein. I guess a person could actually enjoy listening to Boers & Bernstein, but its factually incorrect to claim that those two 'dweebs' talk about sports all the time.

2) When was B&B ever canceled? They have been moved around a bit to better-compete in the ratings, but I don't remember them ever being canceled. And if you are talking about some other show Bernstein did before B&B, the fate of that show is immaterial. Why? That show wasn't the Boers and Bernstein Show.

I assumed it was cancelled for the last few years, but I guess they were still on the air...just not during the morning or evening commute times (i.e. the times when people listen to the radio). LOL at 'moved around a bit to better-compete in the ratings'...what are you talking about?
 
I assumed it was canceled for the last few years, but I guess they were still on the air...just not during the morning or evening commute times (i.e. the times when people listen to the radio). LOL at 'moved around a bit to better-compete in the ratings'...what are you talking about?

The last few years? I know they started out years ago on the 10-2 or 11-2 slot then moved to the 2-6 slot for at least the last 3-4 years and now are on from 1-6 technically with the transition from the Dan McNeil show.

Personally I like the B and B show. They can be annoying sure but they are still the best talk radio in the area I am from....and frankly I don't have much of a choice of what to listen to if I want Chicago Sports talk on my commute home from work.

Far and away the best show on WSCR. But not sure that's saying much seeing as they compete(d) against puds like Mike North, Mike Murphy, Mully and Hanley, etc.

They cater to the inside joke crowd sure but honestly they don't disguise it and even said they other day they view their show as more of a "club" than a true radio show and enjoy having inside jokes etc. I see your point from a broadcasting professionalism perspective about it alienating listeners but they pull ratings, are successful and it works so I don't see a huge issue with it.

I like them and enjoy their show a lot. IMO it's a fun show to listen to. But too each their own.
 
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If he got in it would be because he played for the cubs, and its the Chicago boys arguing for him. Santo would be another example on how a borderline guy gets in because of the market he played in, while we are at it let's pull out the borderline players who played in New York.
 
This makes me think about Dave Concepcion not getting in, and its typically Reds fans who are screaming about him being snubbed.
 
If he got in it would be because he played for the cubs, and its the Chicago boys arguing for him. Santo would be another example on how a borderline guy gets in because of the market he played in, while we are at it let's pull out the borderline players who played in New York.

If this was the case Santo woul dhave been in ages ago.
 
Or he don't get in, and I feel better about baseball hof

Meh. Santo was clearly the second best 3rd baseman of his era behind Brooks Robinson...and he was a better hitter than Robinson. All Stars and GG's stack up well enough over his career of 15 years.

Santo is arguably one of the top 10 3B ever.

There are a lot worse players in the HOF than Santo.
 
Meh. Santo was clearly the second best 3rd baseman of his era behind Brooks Robinson...and he was a better hitter than Robinson. All Stars and GG's stack up well enough over his career of 15 years.

Santo is arguably one of the top 10 3B ever.

There are a lot worse players in the HOF than Santo.
Agree there are worse players, but my initial point while probably not very clear is if he can't get in playing in Chicago, then he probably shouldn't be in.
 
Agree there are worse players, but my initial point while probably not very clear is if he can't get in playing in Chicago, then he probably shouldn't be in.

I think there is mroe to do with it than that though.

Santo was a prick to the media, a shitty teammate, and other players didn't care for him. Too many grudges.
 
I think there is mroe to do with it than that though.

Santo was a prick to the media, a shitty teammate, and other players didn't care for him. Too many grudges.
Yeah, its possible.

As I drew the comparisons to Concepcion, he was one of the best SS of his era, but not in, many say its because he played in a small market so many sports writers didn't see him as much. Santo can't say that, but if they didn't like him then it will no doubt hurt him. So really negates the market thing leaving his numbers to put him in, and by those he is marginal. No question there are guys less deserving in, but guys as much if not more deserving who aren't in yet
 
I looked at Santo closely the other day, and was surprised how much better his numbers were than I initially thought. As you can see earlier in the thread, I was solidly on the 'no' side. But its pretty clear he's a top ten 3B, so I've changed my mind.

I don't like the Concepcion comparison. Yes, Concepcion was a top guy (maybe THE top guy) during his era, but that was also a down period for his position. It was literally all about defense in those days, with teams perfectly content starting people like Mark Belanger who could barely hit .200.

Concepcion is nowhere near the top shortstops of all time, while Santo compares favorably in the 3B mix.

When I was like 5 years old, Concepcion was my favorite player. I love the guy. But he's not a hall of famer.
 
I looked at Santo closely the other day, and was surprised how much better his numbers were than I initially thought. As you can see earlier in the thread, I was solidly on the 'no' side. But its pretty clear he's a top ten 3B, so I've changed my mind.

I don't like the Concepcion comparison. Yes, Concepcion was a top guy (maybe THE top guy) during his era, but that was also a down period for his position. It was literally all about defense in those days, with teams perfectly content starting people like Mark Belanger who could barely hit .200.

Concepcion is nowhere near the top shortstops of all time, while Santo compares favorably in the 3B mix.

When I was like 5 years old, Concepcion was my favorite player. I love the guy. But he's not a hall of famer.
I mean being the best player at your position at the time you played is hard to argue against, but i understand
 
Ron Santo elected to the HOF by Golden Era Committee

It took 32 years, but former Chicago Cubs third baseman Ron Santo was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame on Monday with at least 75 percent of the vote from the Golden Era committee.



Santo was the only player elected. He received 15 of 16 votes.

Upon his induction, Santo, who died just over a year ago at age 70, will be the 47th Hall of Famer to have played for the Chicago Cubs.

After an illustrious 15-year major league career and 21 years as a broadcaster on Cubs radio, Santo succumbed to bladder cancer and pneumonia on Dec. 3, 2010.

The long wait for induction into the Hall of Fame had been maddening for Santo and his family. Santo was passed over by the veterans committee in 2003, 2005 and 2008. After that committee, comprised of current Hall of Famers, failed to elect anyone for eight consecutive years, the Hall of Fame changed the election rules.

The Golden Era committee was comprised of 16 individuals, including Hall of Fame players, baseball executives and veteran baseball reporters. Seventy-five percent of the 16 votes was needed for induction (12 or more).

The fiery Santo is the 11th third baseman in history to be elected to the Hall of Fame. Fourteen of his 15 years were spent with the Cubs. In the winter of 1973, Santo was traded to the White Sox where he spent his final season on the South side. In 2003, the Cubs retired his No. 10 jersey and after his death they dedicated a statue in his memory outside the ballpark on Aug. 10, 2011.

Santo's career numbers have always been impressive. He hit .277 with 342 home runs and 1,331 RBIs and his 337 Cub home runs rank him fourth in team history.

The Cubs icon was the top defensive third baseman of his era after Baltimore's Brooks Robinson. Santo still holds numerous defensive records and he led the National League in assists from 1962-68. A five-time Gold Glove winner, he was also named to nine All-Star teams.

Despite battling diabetes in an era where medication for his disease hadn't yet become effective, Santo played in 1,536 games during the decade from 1960-69 -- the third most games played by any major leaguer in that time span.

From 1967-72, the Cubs, under the leadership of Hall of Fame manager Leo Durocher, were always a first-division team. However, the Cubs never made the postseason during Santo's career. The Cubs captain played in 2,243 games, the fifth most in baseball history without making the postseason. Three of Santo's teammates from that era were previously elected to the Hall of Fame  Ernie Banks, Billy Williams and Fergie Jenkins.

A Seattle native, Santo signed with the Cubs at age 18 in 1958, making it to the major leagues two years later.

After retiring from the game, Santo began a successful business career, owning truck stops and restaurants until he became the color commentator on Cubs radio broadcasts in 1990. He also was a tireless fundraiser, helping raise an estimated $40 million for juvenile diabetes research during his lifetime.

Santo spent 21 years in the broadcast booth. During that time the Cubs played 3,333 games, going to the postseason four times with an overall record of 6-15. They were swept in 1998, 2007 and 2008.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7318808/ron-santo-elected-baseball-hall-fame
 
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