EA's Rex Dickson to 2K "Go head and make a football game. Come at me bro!"

[MrBill]

I think he is meaning it both ways. First for 2K to put up or shut up (squash the never ending rumors) and then get in the ring (develop something that can compete). The former has to proceed the latter.

 

[buckeye]

All of that makes his challenge pretty lame really. That's like keeping a prize fighter locked in a dungeon with barely any food or water for 8 years and then opening the cage and challenging them to a fight. Weak!!! I guarantee 2K's first attempt would still shit all over any of the Maddens that came out while that piece of shit Ian Cummings was heading the show.

Not to point out the obvious but:

You are saying that if 2K built a game now (with all of the upgrades in RAM, GPU, Processing) with technological advances... That it would be better than a game EA made 5 years ago?!?

If freaking better be!!!!!!!! Lol



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[Steel Mamba]

He means it :yep:

I spoke to Rex about 2 hours before Hip Hop gamer and his shots fired shenanigans. He said that it would probably cost 2K at least $30M to get a share of the NFLPA license and then another $100M in dev costs to get off of the ground....and that it would probably take at least 2 years before they had something worth launching. At that point, 2K is almost a quarter billion in the hole before they make a cent in return.

They'd probably have to move a few million units to be profitable. They gained a lot of ground on EA with 2k5, but that was also price at $20. Who knows, at this point I'm not expecting 2k football to comeback.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Not to point out the obvious but:

You are saying that if 2K built a game now (with all of the upgrades in RAM, GPU, Processing) with technological advances... That it would be better than a game EA made 5 years ago?!?

If freaking better be!!!!!!!! Lol



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EA hasn't done it

 

[buckeye]

EA hasn't done it

Let's not be silly now I thought this was a SRS discussion

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[j.hen]

Not to point out the obvious but:

You are saying that if 2K built a game now (with all of the upgrades in RAM, GPU, Processing) with technological advances... That it would be better than a game EA made 5 years ago?!?

It freaking better be!!!!!!!

I'm not buying that. By that logic the Ian Cummings era of madden games should have been excellent and waaaay better than the madden games that were on PS2, which they weren't. Madden regressed plenty during the jump from ps2/xbox to ps3/360. And they were in the same boat (or actually even more favorable) than 2K would be if they came onto the scene now.

 

[buckeye]

I'm not buying that. By that logic the Ian Cummings era of madden games should have been excellent and waaaay better than the madden games that were on PS2, which they weren't. Madden regressed plenty during the jump from ps2/xbox to ps3/360. And they were in the same boat (or actually even more favorable) than 2K would be if they came onto the scene now.

Not disagreeing but the jump to PS3/360 wasn't Ian it was David Ortiz. Ian inherited lots of bad decisions made from the Ortiz regime. Then he started caving in to the pressure from the community and it went to hell in a handbasket.

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[j.hen]

Not disagreeing but the jump to PS3/360 wasn't Ian it was David Ortiz. Ian inherited lots of bad decisions made from the Ortiz regime. Then he started caving in to the pressure from the community and it went to hell in a handbasket.

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My point remains the same, but Cummings doesn't get a pass at all either way. Fuck that dude. :shifty:

 

[buckeye]

My point remains the same, but Cummings doesn't get a pass at all either way. Fuck that dude. :shifty:

Yeah I'm not saying he is a good dude or anything. Once I heard some actual truth I went from liking him to just rolling my eyes.

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[j.hen]

Let's not be silly now I thought this was a SRS discussion

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I don't think that's a silly statement at all. The madden games in the ps2 glory days were much more immersive (inferior graphics and all) than anything on the newer consoles, although they certainly did make some good steps in the right direction lately. But damn it if the ps3/360 era madden games as a whole weren't completely underwhelming.

 

[buckeye]

I don't think that's a silly statement at all. The madden games in the ps2 glory days were much more immersive (inferior graphics and all) than anything on the newer consoles, although they certainly did make some good steps in the right direction lately. But damn it if the ps3/360 era madden games as a whole weren't completely underwhelming.

I agree on your point but he was comparing APF2K8 to those Madden games. I can't take a sports game seriously that doesn't have working game modes. Just a personal preference... I don't play single player vs CPU offline.

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[ThunderHorse]

I agree on your point but he was comparing APF2K8 to those Madden games. I can't take a sports game seriously that doesn't have working game modes. Just a personal preference... I don't play single player vs CPU offline.

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What?

APF 2K8's available game modes worked fine. Not only did they work fine but their online leagues worked fine as well and that was with full website support that tracked statistics, standings, schedules, etc. for each individual league (Leagues of up to 32 teams as well.).

You ever take a look at the Custom playbooks? thousands of plays that all can be added and removed from an individual playbook. you can have every one or just one, no limit on the number. Formation subs that worked. Defensive assignments that worked. Everyone knows what All Pro's real issue was and it had nothing to do with the funcionality of the few game modes they did offer.

When did Madden get that? 2K had it in 07, and I'm pretty sure earlier than that as well in the ESPN series of games.

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I thought the comments were weak and it's easy to talk big and bad when you know you've effectively eliminated or at least stunted the competition.

I'm tired of hearing about how Madden is becoming more sim, more realistic. We hear this every year, and every year we hear the same complaints and have the same or new issues. When he stands there and says he envisions madden having the ability to differentiate between player's running styles in 3 years, it annoys me. 2K was doing these things in 07. For him to stand there and say he envisions Madden being where 2K was in 07 is disheartening. It's disgusting. I can't take these people seriously.

I mean are you guys seeing these new "defensive cameras". It's just like the defensive player lock back in NCAA. Maybe there's a different mechanic here and there, but shit all I see is the similar camera angle and the view for defense being reversed. I'm already positive just like in NCAA nobody is going to use this because it's a retarded idea for competitive play. But it just reeks of the recycled features comlpaints we hear so much. Even all this stuff about quarterback accuracy and percision passing, wasn't that a big deal in Madden 13? new Trajectories, new passing animations. I feel like I'm watching the same hype machine all over again.

I'm over it, maybe I'll buy Madden in 3 years and be moderately to legitimately impressed with it because I've starved myself from the genre for long enough.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Let's not be silly now I thought this was a SRS discussion

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It depends on how you're judging the game. For me, the only category I judge on is sim gameplay and authenticity. I couldn't care less about graphics, announcers, features, etc. As long as the gameplay is solid and ranked online play works I'm happy. So in that regard I don't see how anyone could argue that Madden has surpassed them. If you factor in graphics, then yeah Madden is obviously better. But I don't see how those graphics matter when the gameplay is as flawed as it is.

 

[Houston]

This is pathetic.

In a fair open court, 2K mopped the floor with EA's NBA Live.

 

[dave]

That many people, legitimately, believe NFL 2k5 is a better game than Madden 25 tells me no EA guy should call out 2k.

 

[Houston]

:forgetit:

 

[Twigg4075]

Considering 2K made a game TEN YEARS AGO that stills does many things better than Madden does today, this guy should seriously be careful with his empty challenges.

Oh, and holy shit, DeeJay?!?

 

[DJ Rhude]

lol, yeah I was just thinking, better be careful what you ask for....I hope it happens though, everyone wins when there's legit comp

 

[ThunderHorse]

Ronnie 2K 2K15 ✔ @Ronnie2K

@DJ81 say it every week... we don't own NFL license, it's exclusively owned by someone else

- Some "Challenge" Rex.

 

[1ke]

Dumb statement. He knew he could hide behind the license issue.