Eastern Conference Final: [#2] Miami Heat vs. [#4] Boston Celtics

[BigBucs]

This is awesome.

 

[red33]

Im just going to state what should be seemingly obvious here, a fadeaway jumper is never the best shot for LeBron, ever, at any point in the game. With 15 seconds left it is imperative that he tries to work something offensively, weather its trying to back the smaller Rondo down or trying to create off the dribble, rather then just hold it out and step back for the jumper. Is it so simple to get by Rondo and the collapsing Boston defense (who were crowding the paint like crazy on that play), well, of course not.. but you have to try to create more for yourself or the others around then a step back jumper from around the 3 point line. Whether its Rondo guarding you, or anyone else on that team (altho id argue if theres anyone to shoot over it is the smaller Rondo), attempt to attack the basket and kick out to an open shooter, try to draw contact, or try to break down your defender off the dribble. It seemed as tho LeBron had it in his head that he was going to take a jumper there and win it. And its not just a LeBron problem, in general the stars of the league settle for a jumper in a game winning situation. Very rarely do you see them drive the hole (I guess due to fear of not getting a call in the big moment). Unfortunately for LeBron his jumper is not his strength, so it obviously reflects poorly on him in this instance, but its just a general "issue" in the NBA.

nope ur wrong kuzzy ask FT, fedex, and senser.

 

[Tailback U]

That performance reminded me of Jordan. The fadeaway jumpers, the pull up 3's, attacking the rim. He was hitting on a cylinders and just took that game over.

 

[FirstTimer]

weather its trying to back the smaller Rondo down or trying to create off the dribble, rather then just hold it out and step back for the jumper. Is it so simple to get by Rondo and the collapsing Boston defense (who were crowding the paint like crazy on that play), well, of course not.

That's kind of the point herp derp.

but you have to try to create more for yourself or the others around then a step back jumper from around the 3 point line. Whether its Rondo guarding you, or anyone else on that team (altho id argue if theres anyone to shoot over it is the smaller Rondo), attempt to attack the basket and kick out to an open shooter, try to draw contact, or try to break down your defender off the dribble.

Maybe Lebron didn't want to risk kicking it out. Maybe he wanted to ensure he had the ball for the final shot?

Herp!

It seemed as tho LeBron had it in his head that he was going to take a jumper there and win it. And its not just a LeBron problem, in general the stars of the league settle for a jumper in a game winning situation.

1. Because refs tend to swallow the whistle

2. This is hilarious. Lebron is routinely roasted for passing up shots to Udons fucking Haslem yet Lebron is some sort of chronic shot taker too?

The reason you see so many guys take jumpers to win games is the cause of a few factors. The refs swallow their whistles down low unless someone is decapitated so simply going to "draw a foul" is even more difficult than usual and would result in a shitty off balance contested shot. Second, defenses are more than willing/designed to to stop penetration and allow kick outs to role players rather than risk letting guys like Lebron or Wade get to the bucket. Honestly thin about it. It's not some chronic issue from today. How many game winners can you recall that occurred with in 5-10ft from the bucket? Magic's sweeping hook in the 80's in the Finals? Derrick Rose's flailing one hander this past Christmas?....? Any others? Driving the lane makes shot go from being contested by one guy to being contested by the on ball defender plus whatever else help gets there. The shot doesn't have to inherently get easier the closer you get to the basket. Lastly, guys will pull up off the dribble for jumpers as well because it's more of a rhythm shot, and something they feel more comfortable with for the most part.

 

[Senser81]

. How many game winners can you recall that occurred with in 5-10ft from the bucket? Magic's sweeping hook in the 80's in the Finals? Derrick Rose's flailing one hander this past Christmas?....? Any others?

Go to the 5:00 mark and watch.

 

[FirstTimer]

Go to the 5:00 mark and watch.

Nice find. Then again that was set up by MJeff drawing defense with.....a fake at a fade away jump shot. :yao:

I'm sure there are more but in my basketball experience a crazy lay in or easy 5-10 footer for a game winner is a hell of a lot more rare than a jumper being taken/made.

LOL at Ewing on that play though. He decided to leave Wennington no matter what really early.

 

[kmanharris]

He needs to come out and put up 45/15/5 every night or it's just a flash in the pan performance? You're kidding right? Don't you think that by having these absurd expectations for him that he is the best player in the game?

Or do you sit at home and say, "Man, Durant better go for 40/15 tonight and every night or else he is definitely not the best player in the NBA."

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

That's kind of the point herp derp.



Maybe Lebron didn't want to risk kicking it out. Maybe he wanted to ensure he had the ball for the final shot?

Herp!


1. Because refs tend to swallow the whistle

2. This is hilarious. Lebron is routinely roasted for passing up shots to Udons fucking Haslem yet Lebron is some sort of chronic shot taker too?

The reason you see so many guys take jumpers to win games is the cause of a few factors. The refs swallow their whistles down low unless someone is decapitated so simply going to "draw a foul" is even more difficult than usual and would result in a shitty off balance contested shot. Second, defenses are more than willing/designed to to stop penetration and allow kick outs to role players rather than risk letting guys like Lebron or Wade get to the bucket. Honestly thin about it. It's not some chronic issue from today. How many game winners can you recall that occurred with in 5-10ft from the bucket? Magic's sweeping hook in the 80's in the Finals? Derrick Rose's flailing one hander this past Christmas?....? Any others? Driving the lane makes shot go from being contested by one guy to being contested by the on ball defender plus whatever else help gets there. The shot doesn't have to inherently get easier the closer you get to the basket. Lastly, guys will pull up off the dribble for jumpers as well because it's more of a rhythm shot, and something they feel more comfortable with for the most part.

First of all you have the maturity of a 3 year old, its pretty pathetic.

LeBron's job was to create the best possible shot to end the game. Whether that means he had to kick it out or get something going to the basket is simply a variable of what the defense gives him. So to say maybe he didnt want to pass the ball off doesnt help any argument on why that was a good shot for him. HERP!!!! :suicide:

The only part of your post that holds any ground is that LeBron is fried for passing the ball off in the crunch, and that some something I meant to post last time, that LeBron really cant win in these situations without hitting the shot. If he takes a contested look he gets grilled, if he passes it he gets grilled.. so is life as the best player in the world. Im not even hating on LeBron for taking the jumper over Rondo, im just simply pointing out that a fadeaway jumper is NEVER his best look. This should be painfully obvious to anyone who watches any kind of basketball. But devilus advocus just cant go a day without playing with himself.

And just off the top of my head there was 2 game winning shots around the bucket this year. Luke Ridnour's sick floater and Luol Deng's painful broken play layup (throwup) against my Raptors. I gues its mostly the cocky ass superstars who want to take a jumper in the crunch. :kanye:

 

[Bomberooski]

Wade will try to get his big point game tomorrow and choke and ruin the game for the Heat on Saturday. (my prediction)

 

[FirstTimer]

LeBron's job was to create the best possible shot to end the game. Whether that means he had to kick it out or get something going to the basket is simply a variable of what the defense gives him. So to say maybe he didnt want to pass the ball off doesnt help any argument on why that was a good shot for him. HERP!!!! :suicide:

You are fucking clueless.

The point is and has been if that shot was so "bad" name the shot Lebron could have/should have gotten or created.

Rather than just coming in and saying blatently general and stupid bullshit try and think about the topic. ZOMG Lebron could have gotten a better look for him or his teammate. O really? How? What teammate? Draw up the play for the situation Spoelstra.

im just simply pointing out that a fadeaway jumper is NEVER his best look.

Stupid statement is stupid.

So there is NO situation where LeBron shooting a fade away is the best look he can/could get? None?

:lol:

Yeah, imagine that in your example..no star players getting to the rim. Gee, I wonder why?!?!?!?!

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

You are fucking clueless.

The point is and has been if that shot was so "bad" name the shot Lebron could have/should have gotten or created.

Rather than just coming in and saying blatently general and stupid bullshit try and think about the topic. ZOMG Lebron could have gotten a better look for him or his teammate. O really? How? What teammate? Draw up the play for the situation Spoelstra.

Stupid statement is stupid.

So there is NO situation where LeBron shooting a fade away is the best look he can/could get? None?

:lol:

Yeah, imagine that in your example..no star players getting to the rim. Gee, I wonder why?!?!?!?!

You are such an ignorant person that is painful to have any kind of conversation with you. I honestly feel bad for your wife and co-workers, and I guess friends, if you are able to hold any.

With 15 seconds left it is imperative that he tries to work something offensively, weather its trying to back the smaller Rondo down or trying to create off the dribble, rather then just hold it out and step back for the jumper.

attempt to attack the basket and kick out to an open shooter, try to draw contact, or try to break down your defender off the dribble.

Backdown Rondo, attack the basket off the dribble, or attack and create for others. Bolded for you because you seem to have trouble reading.

Ill get my board out and draw up the X's and O's in no time. Hold your breath.

 

[Senser81]

Backdown Rondo, attack the basket off the dribble, or attack and create for others. Bolded for you because you seem to have trouble reading.

Makes sense. I can only imagine what Spoelstra is drawing up in the huddle during that final time out...

1) James blow by Rondo, dunk, win game.

2) James back down Rondo, attack basket, dunk, win game.

3) James blow by Rondo, pass, win game.

4) James back down Rondo, pass, win game.


GOT IT COACH!

 

[FirstTimer]

You are such an ignorant person that is painful to have any kind of conversation with you.

Then why do you keep doing it?

Nice lack of self control.

:yao:

Backdown Rondo, attack the basket off the dribble, or attack and create for others. Bolded for you because you seem to have trouble reading.

Ill get my board out and draw up the X's and O's in no time. Hold your breath.

Simple minded idiot is simple.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Makes sense. I can only imagine what Spoelstra is drawing up in the huddle during that final time out...

1) James blow by Rondo, dunk, win game.

2) James back down Rondo, attack basket, dunk, win game.

3) James blow by Rondo, pass, win game.

4) James back down Rondo, pass, win game.


GOT IT COACH!

Im sure he preferred

1) James no movement, dribble, dribble, dribble, step back contested jumper as time expires.

Diagrams coming soon.

Fun to see two alumni from the same school of trolling working together tho. Its cute.

 

[FirstTimer]

Im sure he preferred

1) James no movement, dribble, dribble, dribble, step back contested jumper as time expires.

Diagrams coming soon.

Fun to see to alumni from the same school of trolling working together tho. Its cute.

Spoelstra is a moron..so it wouldn't shock me.

 

[Senser81]

Fun to see two alumni from the same school of trolling working together tho. Its cute.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I was thinking...

Future tag champs!

 

[Primetime]

May be the most impressive performance I've ever witnessed other than Jordan's 63 against Birdman's Celtics.

 

[FedEx227]

I'd argue LeBron's game against Pistons in 2007 was HIS best ever and one of the top 5.

He hits a few really shitty fadeaways in that game. :smug:

 

[Herm]

jeebus i forgot how much of a monster MJ was out of the triple threat. Thanks for posting that.