Enough is enough. Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time.

[Bear Pand]

no, they only remember them by name. No , one here ever saw them play nor cares about their numbers. its just a statement in fact. I remember them from history too but they dont matter in the now. Like I said , there is no such thing as best ever, only best for now.

combination of most of us not being alive when they played, and there not being an easy method to go back and watch their games. Who's really gonna go dig up black and white Unitas game tapes? This same thing won't apply to current players later on down the road.

 

[ram29jackson]

combination of most of us not being alive when they played, and there not being an easy method to go back and watch their games. Who's really gonna go dig up black and white Unitas game tapes? This same thing won't apply to current players later on down the road.

yes it will. theres plenty of footage of plenty of players from the 50s 60s and 70s at NFL films and other places and no one on a mass level has ever seen it. NFL films should really dig deep year 'round to show us old football stuff but they regurgitate the same stuff every year. By now I would expect to see countless full games from 30 years ago. when you get older it will be the same thing . it will be more talk than visualization.

 

[FirstTimer]

You are ignorant in your remarks. Favre did play a majority of time when things still had more balance and better competition unlike Brady etc whos careers are during the worst matchups in history.

Ha! More balance? Favre played when the Cowboys dominated, the Broncos won back to back then when the Patriots dynasty took over. Don't forget the Steelers being a constant player either. The Rams made back to back Super Bowls. The Bills made 4 straight(2 straight with Favre in the league)....all during Favre's era.

STFU and learn about the game.

no, they only remember them by name. No , one here ever saw them play nor cares about their numbers. its just a statement in fact. I remember them from history too but they dont matter in the now. Like I said , there is no such thing as best ever, only best for now.

your statements are childish fodder, clueless in every way.

Shut the hell up. I'm willing to bet there is more film of Eric Metcalf then there is of Unitas out there.

Also I love how you abandoned your idiotic "margin of victory" idea once it was blown up.

combination of most of us not being alive when they played, and there not being an easy method to go back and watch their games. Who's really gonna go dig up black and white Unitas game tapes? This same thing won't apply to current players later on down the road.

Ding ding ding.

 

[ram29jackson]

((((

Ha! More balance? Favre played when the Cowboys dominated, the Broncos won back to back then when the Patriots dynasty took over. Don't forget the Steelers being a constant player either. The Rams made back to back Super Bowls. The Bills made 4 straight(2 straight with Favre in the league)....all during Favre's era.

STFU and learn about the game.)))))


read between the lines you simpleton. There was better quality of play even 15 years ago than there is now. Regardless of what really good teams there were, the teams beneath them werent as bad as they are now.





(((((((Shut the hell up. I'm willing to bet there is more film of Eric Metcalf then there is of Unitas out there.)))




I never said there wasnt. Point being you wont see much of either.




((((Also I love how you abandoned your idiotic "margin of victory" idea once it was blown up.)))))


I have no idea what the hell your talking about you obsessive freak? If it had anything to with me, remembering stuff you typed on a site is really unimportant I may have forgotten more than I abandoned anything.

Get a life, please.

 

[Bear Pand]

yes it will. theres plenty of footage of plenty of players from the 50s 60s and 70s at NFL films and other places and no one on a mass level has ever seen it. NFL films should really dig deep year 'round to show us old football stuff but they regurgitate the same stuff every year. By now I would expect to see countless full games from 30 years ago. when you get older it will be the same thing . it will be more talk than visualization.

have you ever heard of things like youtube?

 

[ram29jackson]

have you ever heard of things like youtube?

dude, Ive looked for stuff on youtube too. i am talking about half an hour to an hour daily of tons of footage from NFL network. not 15 seconds to a minute and a half of crappy quality from a stranger. there were half hour and hour long weekly recap shows in the lat 70s that i would watch over and over again today if I had them. Not sure how i would feel about all the o j simpson highlights though haha


there is nothing on youtube that scratches the surface of what i'm looking for.

 

[ram29jackson]

have you ever heard of things like youtube?

first find- sub par crap


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xch6Nh2Szs"]YouTube - Classic Oakland Raiders Highlights from 1970's and 1980's[/ame]

 

[Senser81]

Question to ram29jackson: why?

 

[ram29jackson]

Question to ram29jackson: why?

someone brought up being able to reference players from the past and this is how it developed

 

[KoRnStARr]

You're a moron. Brady didn't win shit, and Peyton didn't lose shit. The Patriots won and the Colts lost. Get that through your thick fucking skull.

Mannings numbers aren't as good in the playoffs as they are in the regular season. We get it. He's still the best I've ever seen and nothing Kornstar of all people says is going to change that. Same dude who tried to tell me Hines Ward was a better WR than Marvin Harrison .. definitely somebody you go to when looking for NFL knowledge. LOL

Brady = 3, Manning = 1

Brady made the plays that Manning couldn't. Get that through your skull. It's never Peyton's fault!

Sidenote: Hines Ward actually performs in the playoffs, unlike Harrison...

 

[Esjay]

Brady = 3, Manning = 1

Brady made the plays that Manning couldn't. Get that through your skull. It's never Peyton's fault!

Sidenote: Hines Ward actually performs in the playoffs, unlike Harrison...

It has been proven over the years that it's pointless to argue with you about anything. For some reason, I don't know why because you're obviously a complete douchebag and idiot and have been your entire life, you have an ego the size of the moon.

Anybody who can seriously sit there and say Hines Ward is better than Marvin Harrison has clearly lost his mind or never had it to begin with. I won't even get into Brady/Manning with you. I will say that it's at the very least EXTREMELY close unlike Ward/Marvin.

Please get a clue someday.

 

[JeremyHight]

Ward vs Harrison is actually a lot closer than you may think. No doubt, Marvin definitely has the advantage if you just look at regular season stats, but taking everything into account, Ward is an amazing WR as well. He not only has better receiving numbers in fewer post-season games and played in a much less pass friendly environment and team, but he hands down beats Harrison in nearly every possible thing outside of receiving yards, TDs, and receptions.

I'm not going to go out and say without a doubt Ward is better, but a guy putting up solid numbers on a run happy team and outshining Harrison in the playoffs says the two can be in the same argument.

 

[FirstTimer]

read between the lines you simpleton. There was better quality of play even 15 years ago than there is now.

Based on what? Your ridiculous "feeling" that Favre played in a more balanced era even though there were the same teams at the top year after year?

I never said there wasnt. Point being you wont see much of either.

Way to ignore the point...which went WAY WAY above your head. Just because you won't see much film of Eric Metcalf doesn't mean there isn't more of it than Unitas.....therefore if you want to find film of Unitas it's much tougher to come by compared to modern era players like Manning Brady etc so comparing what film will be available of Brady and Manning years from now compared to what is/will be available of Unitas is beyond absurd and mildly retarded.

I have no idea what the hell your talking about you obsessive freak? If it had anything to with me, remembering stuff you typed on a site is really unimportant I may have forgotten more than I abandoned anything.

QB who throws for 500 yards and 8TD's but wins the game by 3 points....not being dominating...ha!

 

[ram29jackson]

Based on what? Your ridiculous "feeling" that Favre played in a more balanced era even though there were the same teams at the top year after year?
















Way to ignore the point...which went WAY WAY above your head. Just because you won't see much film of Eric Metcalf doesn't mean there isn't more of it than Unitas.....therefore if you want to find film of Unitas it's much tougher to come by compared to modern era players like Manning Brady etc so comparing what film will be available of Brady and Manning years from now compared to what is/will be available of Unitas is beyond absurd and mildly retarded.









QB who throws for 500 yards and 8TD's but wins the game by 3 points....not being dominating...ha!

sorry man, but you miss the target again with these rants.

 

[KoRnStARr]

It has been proven over the years that it's pointless to argue with you about anything. For some reason, I don't know why because you're obviously a complete douchebag and idiot and have been your entire life, you have an ego the size of the moon.

Anybody who can seriously sit there and say Hines Ward is better than Marvin Harrison has clearly lost his mind or never had it to begin with. I won't even get into Brady/Manning with you. I will say that it's at the very least EXTREMELY close unlike Ward/Marvin.

Please get a clue someday.

You're an idiot.

Hines Ward vs Marvin Harrison is very much debatable. Keep enjoying regular season stats as your superbowls.

 

[Bear Pand]

You're an idiot.

Hines Ward vs Marvin Harrison is very much debatable. Keep enjoying regular season stats as your superbowls.

So if we wanna look at postseason accomplishments

the steelers had a better:
#1 WR
Defense
Run Game

than the Colts but you still wanna hate on Manning for losing to them in the playoffs?

scust

 

[KoRnStARr]

So if we wanna look at postseason accomplishments

the steelers had a better:
#1 WR
Defense
Run Game

than the Colts but you still wanna hate on Manning for losing to them in the playoffs?

scust

Run game? Please stop.

Manning/Harrison's lack of success in the playoffs are linked for obvious reasons. Ben/Hines actual success in the playoffs are linked...for obvious reasons.

Credit Hines though, he was making great plays in the playoffs before Ben even got there.

And as far as Hines' regular season numbers go, when given the opportunity (pass attempts, good offense), Hines has shown he can put up big numbers. Run offense for most of his career yet still found a way to put good numbers and contribute.

 

[Bear Pand]

Run game? Please stop.

Manning/Harrison's lack of success in the playoffs are linked for obvious reasons. Ben/Hines actual success in the playoffs are linked...for obvious reasons.

Credit Hines though, he was making great plays in the playoffs before Ben even got there.

And as far as Hines' regular season numbers go, when given the opportunity (pass attempts, good offense), Hines has shown he can put up big numbers. Run offense for most of his career yet still found a way to put good numbers and contribute.

This obviously isn't completely true since Big Ben played awful against the Seahawks and Hines Ward won a SB MVP that same game.

and colts run game has never really been shit in the postseason aside from when they won it all.

 

[Archer]

We can end this thread now

Joseph Addai is clearly the best QB of all time

ROFL @ that throw

 

[ram29jackson]

Rams29Jackson is one of them "back i my day" type of guys. He loved the football from back in the day so much that he refuses to beleive the game has gotten better. IMO it has gotten softer but skill-wise it amazing.

nope, in no way shape or form is that the case in any way. There is no-back in my day- bull, going on. I am impartial . individual skills mean nothing if you dont mesh as a team and because of free agency / parity there is no true team play going on. too many rookie QBs doing too well too early and 3 or 4 teams that may only win 1 or 2 games by seasons end mean things suck now, no matter how good the individual players are.