Enough is enough. Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

stop.

sidenote - I wouldn't vote for Big Ben, either. But I wouldn't gripe if someone did. Anybody who votes Eli for the HOF should have their vote taken away.

You stop.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You stop.

Manning would be, by far, not even close, the worst QB in the hall of fame. Maybe the worst player, period.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Manning would be, by far, not even close, the worst QB in the hall of fame. Maybe the worst player, period.

If he doesn't make it in, he would be, by far, not even close, the most accomplished QB NOT in the Hall of Fame. I'd say the best player, period...but Jerry Kramer not being in the Hall of Fame is a crime.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

If he doesn't make it in, he would be, by far, the most accomplished QB NOT in the Hall of Fame.

Did you read the post three spots up?

He isn't very good.

STOP. WITH. THE. RINGS.

Why can't he just be a "two time Super Bowl winner"? Why does he HAVE to be in Hall of Fame just because of that? It's stupid, he isn't a great player, not even close.

 

[Maynard]

I don't care about winning the two SB's, the entire theme here is that I think Super Bowl performance is overrated.

who cares what you think? you dont vote, you have no say so and youre opinon only matters to you. its your own fault that you dont see what matters in making a HOFer. SB rings matter. sure, its not just rings, but he is a clutch player and he has put up great career numbers.

Manning's adjusted statistics show that he is basically an average QB compared to his peers:

Yard per Attempt: 101
Comp%: 93
QB Rating: 97

wtf does this even mean? where did you get these retard numbers?

10 year numbers are
Comp - 59%
Yards - 35,345
TD 229
Int 171
Rtg 81.1
and uh, 2 SB wins. 8-3 playoff record

 

[Maynard]

So where are these "monster" stats? He's 1% better than average against his peers in YPA, and worse than average in two other key areas. He also sports one of the highest INT%'s of his era. You could actually make a case that overall his stats are below average compared to his peers. He's Exhibit A of inflated numbers that are really unimpressive when stacked against his own era.

dont talk about this nonsense unless you post facts to support it

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

wtf does this even mean? where did you get these retard numbers?

10 year numbers are
Comp - 59%
Yards - 35,345
TD 229
Int 171
Rtg 81.1
and uh, 2 SB wins. 8-3 playoff record

Those are era adjusted numbers that put into proper context the numbers you just posted above. 100 is average. I'm sorry it's over your head.

-Eli has never finished top ten in QB rating
-Eli has finished top ten in completion percentage one time (9th)
-Eli has never finished top three in yards or TD's
-Again, Eli has never led the league in anything aside from INT's

He's not a great player. He's barely an average one. The one, and only, HOF worthy credential he has is two SB's. He is Exhibit A of why Super Bowl rings are an overrated measure. There is nothing else HOF worthy about him.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Did you read the post three spots up?

He isn't very good.

STOP. WITH. THE. RINGS.

3x Pro Bowler (he'll have a few more before he retires)
2x Super Bowl MVP

Will finish his career somewhere in the Top 7 in All-Time passing yards and passing touchdowns.
8-3 in the playoffs, Top 10 Passer Rating in the Playoffs.

Like I said, if he isn't in the Hall of Fame, he'll be the most accomplished QB not in the Hall of Fame, perhaps one of the most accomplished players in the history of the league not in the Hall of Fame.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

dont talk about this nonsense unless you post facts to support it

I already did.

http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com...-of-all-time&p=2361029&viewfull=1#post2361029

You can't be this stupid, it isn't possible.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

3x Pro Bowler (he'll have a few more before he retires)
2x Super Bowl MVP

Will finish his career somewhere in the Top 7 in All-Time passing yards and passing touchdowns.
8-3 in the playoffs, Top 10 Passer Rating in the Playoffs.

Like I said, if he isn't in the Hall of Fame, he'll be the most accomplished QB not in the Hall of Fame, perhaps one of the most accomplished players in the history of the league not in the Hall of Fame.

The yards & TD's mean nothing when adjusted for context. He's below average in yards per attempt and his TD% is 105. He's no better than average compared to his peers. He's compiling stats that are basically mediocre for his era.

Rings is all you have.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

If you think Manning is a hall of famer, you better think Jim Plunkett is. Basically mirror images statistically, both have two MAGIC RINGZ.

 

[Maynard]

Those are era adjusted numbers that put into proper context the numbers you just posted above. 100 is average. I'm sorry it's over your head.

Yard per Attempt: 101
Comp%: 93
QB Rating: 97

how exactly do those retard numbers you posted put anything into context? are you really saying he has 101 yards per pass attempt? that would be like 3000 yards per game. and a 97% completion %....for someone who is arguing that manning isnt a HOF why would you say he has a 97% completion %?

 

[Aso]

how exactly do those retard numbers you posted put anything into context? are you really saying he has 101 yards per pass attempt? that would be like 3000 yards per game. and a 97% completion %....for someone who is arguing that manning isnt a HOF why would you say he has a 97% completion %?

You're dumb as fuck.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

The yards & TD's mean nothing when adjusted for context. He's below average in yards per attempt and his TD% is 105. He's no better than average compared to his peers. He's compiling stats that are basically mediocre for his era.

Rings is all you have.

When players like Curtis Martin, Isaac Bruce (eventually), and Art Monk are in the Hall of Fame, compilers are fair game for the Hall of Fame.

You are overthinking it. How many Hall of Fame voters use adjusted numbers? Barely any. Regular season career numbers will be there to check off the boxes. He has the #ringz (fight it all you want, its a huge factor). Big time playoff performer. He's been playing with house money since he won his second Super Bowl...anything else is just icing on the cake.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

how exactly do those retard numbers you posted put anything into context? are you really saying he has 101 yards per pass attempt? that would be like 3000 yards per game. and a 97% completion %....for someone who is arguing that manning isnt a HOF why would you say he has a 97% completion %?

LOL.

 

[Maynard]

i guess throwing for 3500 yards per season doesnt count. or all his clutch performances and throws in bigtime games. going to the playoffs 5 out of 10 years and winning 2 SB's means nothing.

you can have your opinions, but having this discussion with you is just moronic because you dont even make a single valid point to support your opinion. All you do is run your mouth about what you think matters. and how it should be your way, like you have some say so in the process for which a HOFer is determined. but you dont and you dont make any good arguments to support your opinion.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

When players like Curtis Martin, Isaac Bruce (eventually), and Art Monk are in the Hall of Fame, compilers are fair game for the Hall of Fame.

You are overthinking it. How many Hall of Fame voters use adjusted numbers? Barely any. Regular season career numbers will be there to check off the boxes. He has the #ringz (fight it all you want, its a huge factor). Big time playoff performer. He's been playing with house money since he won his second Super Bowl...anything else is just icing on the cake.

Larry, you are too smart for this when it comes to modern QB's. It's not the same as WR's & RB's, amd you named three guys who played the majority if not all of their careers pre offensive explosion of the "head injury era".

His "monster numbers" aren't monster at all. They are average compared to the people he is playing against. Across the board. Even the areas he excels, like yards & TD's, he barely ever finishes Top 5. Never Top 3. Never leads the league.

 

[Maynard]

You're dumb as fuck.

oh i get what they mean dumbass....they mean shit to me though

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

If you think Manning is a hall of famer, you better think Jim Plunkett is. Basically mirror images statistically, both have two MAGIC RINGZ.

Plunkett's career was marred by injury. After 75, he only played one full season. Plunkett got his #2ringz on the tail end of his career. Not in the prime of his career, winning them against one of the GOATs. You've lost common sense when you say Eli and Plunkett are "basically mirror images"...outside of the #ringz, there is no comparison.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

i guess throwing for 3500 yards per season doesnt count. or all his clutch performances and throws in bigtime games. going to the playoffs 5 out of 10 years and winning 2 SB's means nothing.

you can have your opinions, but having this discussion with you is just moronic because you dont even make a single valid point to support your opinion. All you do is run your mouth about what you think matters. and how it should be your way, like you have some say so in the process for which a HOFer is determined. but you dont and you dont make any good arguments to support your opinion.

I already explained why his numbers you keep touting aren't very impressive.

I also made a very long, very well thought out & researched post supporting my opinion.

Let's try this again: http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com...-of-all-time&p=2361029&viewfull=1#post2361029

Winning 2 SB's doesn't mean "nothing", but it's not enough when overall he just isn't very good. Like Jim Plunkett, who I would argue was no worse than Manning and stacks up very well.

I'd post the stats, but you wouldn't understand them.