Enough is enough. Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

If Asante Samuel doesn't drop a pick.. Eli isn't sniffing this conversation.

If Tom Brady doesn't overthrow a WIDE open Wes Welker.. Eli isn't sniffing this conversation.

Yes, Eli has 2 rings.. and thats great.. but he was also two plays away from having 0 while giving Tom Brady 2 additional rings to what he already has.

That's the crux of W2B's argument here. If you strip away the 2 championships and look at the rest of his body of work.. hes pretty much what he is.. a QB that will get yards and make a bunch of jaw dropping mistakes.

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I've never seen a player have so many people discredit obvious shit then they do for Eli Manning. Ever since he was in college, people have jumped through countless hoops to discredit everything about the guy. If his name wasn't Manning, if he didn't go to Ole Miss, if he didn't go to the Giants, if something happens here or there he doesn't win TWO Super Bowls (TWO!!)...

 

[Primetime]

Has Eli been a top 5 active QB at any point in his career?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

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I've never seen a player have so many people discredit obvious shit then they do for Eli Manning. Ever since he was in college, people have jumped through countless hoops to discredit everything about the guy. If his name wasn't Manning, if he didn't go to Ole Miss, if he didn't go to the Giants, if something happens here or there he doesn't win TWO Super Bowls (TWO!!)...

Yes, two Super Bowls. Great. That's fantastic.

Shouldn't automatically make him a hall of famer. That's the disconnect here. Magical ringz. We need to be more sophisticated than this and move beyond it. Why are we slaves to this shit?

RINGZ...MUST STOP THINKING NOW

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

If Eli makes it in, he is the worst Hall of Fame QB...if he doesn't make it in, he's the best non-Hall of Fame QB...a pretty damn fine line we're talking about here.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Yes, two Super Bowls. Great. That's fantastic.

Shouldn't automatically make him a hall of famer. That's the disconnect here. Magical ringz. We need to be more sophisticated than this and move beyond it. Why are we slaves to this shit?

RINGZ...MUST STOP THINKING NOW

It doesn't automatically make him a Hall of Famer...having numbers that will place him historically among the greats and his peers (stop using normalized statistics...no one else uses them...this isn't baseball or basketball) PLUS two Super Bowls (and Super Bowl MVPs) is what gets him in.

 

[Maynard]

Eli will probably get in the HOF because of the two rings and the fact his last name is "Manning" and not "Smith" or something helps him too.

Doesn't make it deserving though.

by whose standards does he not deserve it? by your own admission he gets into the hof...so wouldnt that mean he meets the standards for getting into the HOF.

kind of the point, dude...

then why are you arguing it? he deserves to be in based on what he has done, not based on the what ifs

 

[Primetime]

If Eli makes it in, he is the worst Hall of Fame QB...if he doesn't make it in, he's the best non-Hall of Fame QB...a pretty damn fine line we're talking about here.

Disagree. If he makes it, worst HoF QB...if he doesn't make it, most accomplished non-HoF QB.

 

[Maynard]

Yes, two Super Bowls. Great. That's fantastic.

Shouldn't automatically make him a hall of famer. That's the disconnect here. Magical ringz. We need to be more sophisticated than this and move beyond it. Why are we slaves to this shit?

RINGZ...MUST STOP THINKING NOW

you act like his rings were in spite of him. he wasnt the trent difler of his SB teams. they won those games because of him, not in spite of him

 

[ram29jackson]

figures, rams thinks he is a HOfer....i guess i was wrong.

rams thinks trent difer is an elite QB

any QB with SB ring is elite. I didn't say crap about hall of fame or stats. You do everything you need to do and do less of it wrong and surpass all others who want the same prize but you have it = you are elite for that year and moment in time !

 

[Maynard]

any QB with SB ring is elite. I didn't say crap about hall of fame or stats. You do everything you need to do and do less of it wrong and surpass all others who want the same prize but you have it = you are elite for that year and moment in time !

so based on this thinking i am an elite VSNer?

 

[Houston]

You need to re-evaluate your position when the criteria you champion most works against Peyton, and for Eli.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

It doesn't automatically make him a Hall of Famer...having numbers that will place him historically among the greats and his peers (stop using normalized statistics...no one else uses them...this isn't baseball or basketball) PLUS two Super Bowls (and Super Bowl MVPs) is what gets him in.

How can you say "stop using the normalized statistics"? That's what shows he isn't any better than his peers. That's what shows his numbers aren't hall of fame worthy.

Who cares if he throws for 4,000 yards every year if there are a half dozen guys who throw for 4,800 or dudes going over 5,000 every year? That's the point here, man. You keep saying these numbers are hall of fame worthy. They aren't. Normalizing them proves it.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Disagree. If he makes it, worst HoF QB...if he doesn't make it, most accomplished non-HoF QB.

Who is better? Donovan McNabb? Ken Anderson?

They are considered the best non-Hall of Fame QBs...Eli's resume is much better.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Disagree. If he makes it, worst HoF QB...if he doesn't make it, most accomplished non-HoF QB.

Tie- Plunkett.

 

[Maynard]

You need to re-evaluate your position when the criteria you champion most works against Peyton, and for Eli.

wtf are you talking about? Peyton is a 1st ballot HOFer no question

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Who is better? Donovan McNabb? Ken Anderson?

They are considered the best non-Hall of Fame QBs...Eli's resume is much better.

I'll take Ken Anderson over Eli without hesitation. Far, far superior player.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

you act like his rings were in spite of him. he wasnt the trent difler of his SB teams. they won those games because of him, not in spite of him

Even if that is the case, he's still a barely better than average player. The hall of fame (should be) for great players.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

How can you say "stop using the normalized statistics"? That's what shows he isn't any better than his peers. That's what shows his numbers aren't hall of fame worthy.

Who cares if he throws for 4,000 yards every year if there are a half dozen guys who throw for 4,800 or dudes going over 5,000 every year? That's the point here, man. You keep saying these numbers are hall of fame worthy. They aren't. Normalizing them proves it.

By all means, show me...I dunno...five voters (?) that use these advanced numbers to validate their vote. I'll wait.

Meanwhile, the tried and true numbers that are used by Hall of Fame voters for generations hold up as Hall of Fame worthy. Career totals, Super Bowls, playoff performance...Pro Bowl numbers, All-Pro along with All-Decade don't hold up due to volume of QBs in his era...but I'll also assume he'll get a few more Pro Bowls before his career runs out.

 

[Houston]

wtf are you talking about? Peyton is a 1st ballot HOFer no question

I'll paraphrase so you can keep up....


Be skeptical of any criteria(in this case, Rings) that's used to argue in favor of Eli and Bradshaw, but against Peyton and Marino.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I'll paraphrase so you can keep up....


Be skeptical of any criteria(in this case, Rings) that's used to argue for Eli and Bradshaw, but against Peyton and Marino.

No one puts Eli and Bradshaw on the same level as Peyton and Marino, but Hall of Fame worthy doesn't use Peyton and Marino as a baseline.

#ringz are used to discredit Peyton and Marino when comparing them against the likes of Montana and Brady.