ESPN has a new tiered QB rating system

[BigBucs]

Mad? Nope.

Not yet. :smug: Ill take my 2nd year QB being well above average.

 

[mgoblue2290]

I noticed Drew Stanton wasn't in any tier. I'm guessing they decided to leave him out because they realized White Vick's level of play cannot be put into any one tier.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The QBR formula takes into account down, distance, field position, time remaining, rushing, passing sacks, fumbles, interceptions, how far each pass travels in the air, from where on the field the ball was thrown, yards after the catch, dropped balls, defensed balls, whether the quarterback was hit, whether he threw away the ball to avoid a sack, whether the pass was thrown accurately, etc. Each play carries "clutch weight" based on its importance to game outcome, as determined by analyzing those 60,000 plays since 2008. The stats adjust for quarterbacks facing an unusually high number of these situations.
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I don't think they can go back in time very far to gather all of the information needed to calculate this for past seasons. I guess they could conceivably go back and watch the game film from every televised game (if I remember correctly they began televising every game around the early 70's), which sounds daunting to say the least. Some of these stats like drops, QB hits, YAC, and how far the ball travels in the air have just started being tracked 2, 3, 5, 10 years ago.

 

[j.hen]

I can see why they have Matt Ryan in the top tier.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Hasselbecks been below average for 3 years now.

I should groan you for this.

 

[Hasselbeck]

IB4 BigBucs either cries about Freeman being below Ryan or gloats about Freeman being above Sanchez.

Apparently this rating system doesn't calculate "ability to beat the Lions to get into the playoffs"

 

[Senser81]

ESPN tries to build a better quarterback rating
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 1, 2011, 5:11 PM EDT
Quarterback rating is a statistic every football fan knows but few really get. Why is it scaled so that 158.3 is a perfect score? Why does it only include passing, and not other aspects of quarterback play like avoiding sacks and running? Why does it penalize interceptions but not fumbles? Why does it treat a six-yard completion on second-and-5 the same as a six-yard completion on third-and-11?

The NFL adopted passer rating as an official statistic in 1973


Writers always refer to it as "Quarterback rating", when its really a "passer rating". Leave it to ESPN to contradict themselves within the first two paragraphs of the article, when the appropriate "passer rating" term is used. Why does it only include passing, and not other aspects of quarterback play? Because its a passer rating.

 

[Senser81]

The QBR formula takes into account down, distance, field position, time remaining, rushing, passing sacks, fumbles, interceptions, how far each pass travels in the air, from where on the field the ball was thrown, yards after the catch, dropped balls, defensed balls, whether the quarterback was hit, whether he threw away the ball to avoid a sack, whether the pass was thrown accurately, etc. Each play carries "clutch weight" based on its importance to game outcome, as determined by analyzing those 60,000 plays since 2008. The stats adjust for quarterbacks facing an unusually high number of these situations.
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This sounds terrible.

 

[FirstTimer]

So basically this is a QB UZR rating?

 

[Scikotic]

Eli Manning is well above average?

Ok, moment to laugh at that....

 

[manchild24]

This looks more like the "this is who we are blowing" this season list from ESPN

 

[NAHSTE]

So basically this is a QB UZR rating?

Sounds more like %+ to me.

 

[G-men]

Eli Manning is well above average?

Ok, moment to laugh at that....

Or maybe it's because based on this set of stats, Eli is what you want in a quarterback.

 

[dell71]

ESPN tries to build a better quarterback rating
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 1, 2011, 5:11 PM EDT
Quarterback rating is a statistic every football fan knows but few really get.

So just to make things clearer they're introducing a statistic about 1000x more convoluted. Great.

 

[Senser81]

So just to make things clearer they're introducing a statistic about 1000x more convoluted. Great.

Exactly. IMO, the best passing efficiency statistic was developed by Allen Barra. Take a QB's passing yardage, subtract 50 yards for each INT, then divide by attempts. Pretty simple. It avoids the ridiculous "completion percentage" stat, and it doesn't penalize QBs on bad teams that don't get a lot of TD opportunities. It measures how many yards a QB gets per pass attempt, and how many times does he turn the ball over.

 

[Rudi]

They are going way too far with this.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6835090/nfl-total-quarterback-rating-shifts-way-see-position

"New formula will REDEFINE QBs"

:gtfo:

People will always rate the QBs the way they personally think they should be ranked. Some long ass formula calculated by a buncha sports nerds aint gunna redefine the way we look at QBs.

 

[Bmore]

Or maybe it's because based on this set of stats, Eli is what you want in a quarterback.

I surely don't want my QB turning the ball over 30+ times.

 

[FedEx227]

They are going way too far with this.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6835090/nfl-total-quarterback-rating-shifts-way-see-position

"New formula will REDEFINE QBs"

:gtfo:

People will always rate the QBs the way they personally think they should be ranked. Some long ass formula calculated by a buncha sports nerds aint gunna redefine the way we look at QBs.

:yawn:

 

[Aso]

Exactly. IMO, the best passing efficiency statistic was developed by Allen Barra. Take a QB's passing yardage, subtract 50 yards for each INT, then divide by attempts. Pretty simple. It avoids the ridiculous "completion percentage" stat, and it doesn't penalize QBs on bad teams that don't get a lot of TD opportunities. It measures how many yards a QB gets per pass attempt, and how many times does he turn the ball over.

I'd like to see that list.

 

[Coked Up Elmo]

so this new "redefined" ranking system is pretty much going to conclude manning, rogers, brees, brady and vick are really really good. how is this redefining? :cookiemonster2: