Hats off to Orton

[Kuzzy Powers]

Lucky? McD hand picked Orton as the QB he wanted, over Jason Campbell and whoever the hell else we were offered in the offseason. He knew who he wanted to play QB and got him. I don't call that lucky - McDaniels is a damn fine QB coach and personnel evaluator.

And Glen, don't forget we were able to trade one of our first round picks next year to move up for Alphonso Smith this year.

Orton pretty much fell in his lap. There was talks of him having to compete to start before camp, so it'd be pretty ridiculous to think McDaniels hand picked Orton out of the bunch. When Cutler was going to Chicago, McDaniels obviously wanted a QB to compete and replace Cutler.. Orton was the option. McDaniels has done a good job with him but he wasnt "hand picked" by any means at all. Matt Cassell was "hand picked", it just didnt work out for McD.

 

[FedEx227]

Yeah, I'm not understanding this hand picked thing? How can you be hand picked when it was well-publicized that he was going after Cassell and the only reason they really got Orton was because Cutler demanded a trade out of town.

How the hell is that hand picked?

 

[Sean]

When McD came to Denver, he probably was like, "Sweet, i got Cutler" then he heard about trade rumors involving Cassel, he probably thought teaching Cutler all his tricks would be harder to teach him when he knew Cassel in NE, when this came out, the media blew it out of proportion, Cutler didnt like the idea of being traded to the Chiefs or traded in general so he asked for a trade, ironic huh? Bears come along, offer Orton and 2/3 ? future picks for Cutler, McD thinks this is the best offer and pulls the trigger, and again, media blows it out of proportion.

 

[Archer]

When McD came to Denver, he probably was like, "Sweet, i got Cutler" then he heard about trade rumors involving Cassel, he probably thought teaching Cutler all his tricks would be harder to teach him when he knew Cassel in NE, when this came out, the media blew it out of proportion, Cutler didnt like the idea of being traded to the Chiefs or traded in general so he asked for a trade, ironic huh? Bears come along, offer Orton and 2/3 ? future picks for Cutler, McD thinks this is the best offer and pulls the trigger, and again, media blows it out of proportion.

McD also asked Cutler to calm down a little and be less of a gunslinger in a meeting and according to ESPN , Cutler just blew up about the idea of a first year coach telling him what to do .

Cutler has all the talent in the world but his mind doesn't seem to be there yet . Maybe with some time and a better O/C he will live up to his true potential

 

[Sean]

sounds like Marshall as well

 

[FedEx227]

Your theory makes no sense. Basically you're saying McDaniels wanted Cassel, had Cassel and 2 first round picks on the table for Cutler, and then said "no".

PLease try another theory.

No, I'm saying the reports and quotes from Cutler himself post-meeting said that McDaniels was actively pursuing Matt Cassel. After the meeting concluded Cutler asked for a trade.

Where the hell did I say that there was a Cassel + 2 draft picks for Cutler deal on the table?!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

"I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco," Cutler said. "We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy. He admitted he wanted Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a quarterback. He said he wasn't sorry about it. He made it clear that he could still entertain trading me because, as he put it, he'll do whatever he feels is in the best interest of the organization.

Yes, my crazy crackpot theory.

 

[Archer]

Cutler was infuriorated when he was asked by McDaniels to "trust the system". Cutler also went on to say he's not a "system QB".

Even Tom Brady plays in a "system". Apparently Cutler isn't as bright as everyone thinks.

That's what I'm saying when I say the arm is there but the mind isin't

 

[Bear Pand]

"Ron is doing a good job. He asks my opinion a lot during the game. Whenever we've got time on the sideline they ask me how I feel about it. If I don't like it, I'll say no, let's do something else. Nine times out of 10 they will give you something else. It's a work in progress not only for him but the entire offense. Ron has some new weapons and a new quarterback so we're all working together. Luckily enough for us there is still a lot of football left."

I'm pretty sure this is what got Ron in trouble with Grossman.

Ron: Grossman we're gonna run some short routes and I want you to try to dump off the the RBs a little more.

Grossman: Nah I'm just gonna throw downfield.

:bike:

 

[Sean]

QB 2009 Comparison

Kyle Orton 9 TDs, 1 INT, 1,465 Yrds, 100.1 Rating

Jay Cutler 10 TDs, 7 INT, 1,201 Yrds, 86.9 Rating

Matt Cassel 7 TDs, 2 INT, 897 Yrds, 82.3 Rating

 

[jaxjaggywires]

Cutler's arrogance was prevalent at Vanderbilt, and I really thought it would doom his career...

Orton has seemed to find his place (so far) in Denver. Let's see it keep up...

 

[Archer]

Hey, I have nothing but love for Kyle Orton, I wanted to see him succeed as soon as the trade happened and was greatful that he basically got us Cutler because McDaniels liked Orton.

But all this trash really makes it hard for Bears fans to hope he continues his success, I will admit.

Kinda like how Cutler taking shots at the Denver supporters makes it hard for them to hope he does well?

 

[Archer]

Wasn't it one thing that he said... and wasn't it made to be more than it actually was?

He bitched to get out , could have fucked up the team before pre-season with his bitching (while it wasn't all his fault it was still a rookie HC and he was doing it in public) then he leaves and makes a comment about the Denver support

Yeah I would love that guy to do well if he did that to my team

 

[Archer]

Don't turn this into me thinking the Denver fans should support Cutler... jesus.

It's just funny, that even though the Broncos are 6-0, Orton's doing well, everything's just fine, the Denver fans need to feel like Cutler is doing poorly to feel better. Why? You're 6-0, you've got Orton, you should be happy.

I'm not but you say this "trash" and other Bears fans ask why Broncos fans are hoping Cutler does bad .

It's pretty obvious why they feel the way they do about the guy

 

[Bear Pand]

Don't turn this into me thinking the Denver fans should support Cutler... jesus.

It's just funny, that even though the Broncos are 6-0, Orton's doing well, everything's just fine, the Denver fans need to feel like Cutler is doing poorly to feel better. Why? You're 6-0, you've got Orton, you should be happy.

This probably has to do with the media, bears fans, and people in general shitting on Denver throughout the entire offseason. Not to mention all the Bears fans on this site and elsewhere who shit on Orton throughout the offseason and preseason.

I remember last game Orton throws a high pass and there's a few Bears fans in the chatbox saying lame shit like "there's the Orton I remember!" Maybe this isn't the entire reason for it...but there was a ton of arrogance and nonsense pouring out of Chicago before this season started.

Bears fans want Orton to fail as much as Denver fans want Cutler to.

And this isn't even touching on how Cutler acted throughout the whole ordeal.

 

[Bear Pand]

So you're seeing all Bears fans as the fans you interact with in the chat box? Ouch.

It wasn't just Bears fans shitting on the Broncos this off-season, pretty sure it was everyone. By that logic the Broncos fans should be shitting on everyone equally, not just team who their former QB went to, who's not doing nearly as bad as they'd like to think.

I clearly said "on this site and elsewhere" then listed the chatbox thing as an example. And I clearly said it was everyone that was shitting on the Bears, probably why Glen bumped that thread and called a bunch of those people out.

I went to Purdue which is filled with Chicago kids, and live close enough to get Chicago sports radio.