Hmmm... Blue Jays cheating?

[NAHSTE]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...-suspicion-again-stealing-signs-rogers-centre

Pretty crazy.

 

[killgod]

LOL @ this nonsense.

-Unidentified players reporting this.
-First brought up before Bautista started his tear.
-We're still a .500 club.
-We've been no hit at home this season.
-Teams still mix up their calls anyways, rendering this not even possible.

Shouldn't Hill still be smacking HR's like he did a couple years ago?
Why was Vernon Wells so bad?

But only the Blue Jays, and not their opponents, got a home run boost in Toronto. When the Jays were on the road in 2010, they hit home runs in 4 percent of plate appearances in which they made contact, compared with an AL average of 3.6 percent. At Rogers, their home run on contact rate soared to 5.4 percent, which is a home-field advantage seven times the magnitude teams typically enjoy.

Even on the road they hit more HR's than the average AL club, was the man in white travelling with the team? Or is Toronto just a team that goes for HR's?


Since when is a team being better at home than on the road newsworthy?



Also LOL @ Yankees texting each other during games.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Overwhelmingly obvious.

 

[NAHSTE]

Since when is a team being better at home than on the road newsworthy?

That's not the newsworthy part of this report. That's data that supports the theory that is brought forth in the report. The newsworthy part is that (unnamed, yes) opposing players are alleging that they caught the Blue Jays cheating red handed, confronted Bautista about it, and then the Blue Jays stopped cheating via that method.

It's a strong allegation, for sure. Not sure if I believe it or not, but it's a very interesting allegation indeed.

 

[killgod]

That's not the newsworthy part of this report. That's data that supports the theory that is brought forth in the report. The newsworthy part is that opposing players are alleging that they caught the Blue Jays cheating red handed, confronted Bautista about it, and then the Blue Jays stopped cheating via that method.

It's a strong allegation, for sure.

So then what happened in 2006? We must have cheated then? Or again, we are a team that hits lots of HR's?

If we "stopped cheating" why does Bautista still lead the MLB in HR's now? Why are more of his HR's on the fuckin ROAD? He was 2nd on HR's on the road last year?

Why are we 6th in total HR's as a team if we "stopped" ?


We hit 35 HR's more home than away in 2010, how many teams hit 20-30 more home than away.............ALMOST ALL OF THEM!

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

That's not the newsworthy part of this report. That's data that supports the theory that is brought forth in the report. The newsworthy part is that (unnamed, yes) opposing players are alleging that they caught the Blue Jays cheating red handed, confronted Bautista about it, and then the Blue Jays stopped cheating via that method.

It's a strong allegation, for sure. Not sure if I believe it or not, but it's a very interesting allegation indeed.

The statistical deviations are abnormal. Watch those home/road splits crawl back to the norm. I was listening to the radio this morning, and apparently it's already occuring.

Those numbers are completely out of synch, and when combined with the rest of the suspicious allegations, smoke usually equals fire. To me, the data puts it over the top.

 

[kyhadley]

Not sure what I believe, but the stats backing up the argument do seem pretty telling.

 

[NAHSTE]

So then what happened in 2006? We must have cheated then? Or again, we are a team that hits lots of HR's?

If we "stopped cheating" why does Bautista still lead the MLB in HR's now? Why are more of his HR's on the fuckin ROAD? He was 2nd on HR's on the road last year?

Why are we 6th in total HR's as a team if we "stopped" ?

Sounds like they stopped cheating in that particular game, as in, after the bullpen guys confronted Bautista the "man in white" fled for the hills.

Doesn't necessarily mean they didn't continue to cheat in more inconspicuous ways, or just revert back to the Man in White scheme once the confronting team left town.

 

[killgod]

Sounds like they stopped cheating in that particular game, as in, after the bullpen guys confronted Bautista the "man in white" fled for the hills.

Doesn't necessarily mean they didn't continue to cheat in more inconspicuous ways, or just revert back to the Man in White scheme once the confronting team left town.

Lol this is so ridiculous.

How a team hitting a NORMAL amount of HR's more than away is cheating is beyond me.

Heaven forbid an "abnormal" stat that doesn't even break records. Feel sorry for the next team that does break a HR record, cause you can only cheat to pull that off apparently.

 

[NAHSTE]

Lol this is so ridiculous.

How a team hitting a NORMAL amount of HR's more than away is cheating is beyond me.

Heaven forbid an "abnormal" stat that doesn't even break records. Feel sorry for the next team that does break a HR record, cause you can only cheat to pull that off apparently.

This is a first hand account from opposing players who claim to have caught the Jays red handed. The data was compiled independently of this report. Whoever tallied that data had no idea about this article, it just happened to reflect a possible pattern that lends credence to the opposing players' story.

You're fixating too much on the data, that's just a complimentary piece. What of the first hand testimonies of players? Are you calling them liars?

Why would the Yankees or Red Sox sell a phony story to ESPN about a 4th place team in their division cheating?

 

[PP]

But is the man in white still there?

 

[killgod]

Blue Jays +33HR at home in 2010

Lets compare.

Yankees +15 HR's at home
Reds +16 HR's at home
Brewers +18HR at home
Chi Sox +45HR at home
Dbacks +18HR at home
Phillies +22HR at home

....

 

[killgod]

This is a first hand account from opposing players who claim to have caught the Jays red handed. The data was compiled independently of this report. Whoever tallied that data had no idea about this article, it just happened to reflect a possible pattern that lends credence to the opposing players' story.

You're fixating too much on the data, that's just a complimentary piece. What of the first hand testimonies of players? Are you calling them liars?

Why would the Yankees or Red Sox sell a phony story to ESPN about a 4th place team in their division cheating?

How about the come from behind the "annoymous" tag and we can talk about what they have to say.

Anyone who can't put their name behind a claim doesn't shows certainty.

Why would ESPN post an article generating controversy involving New York and Boston? Gee I don't know.

Explain the Blue Jays hitting 111 road Home Runs in 2010, clearly we can't do it without cheating.

 

[NAHSTE]

Blue Jays +33HR at home in 2010

Lets compare.

Yankees +15 HR's at home
Reds +16 HR's at home
Brewers +18HR at home
Chi Sox +45HR at home
Dbacks +18HR at home
Phillies +22HR at home

....

And only one of those teams has been accused of having a guy in CF relaying signs. Maybe the other teams are cheating too, but nobody has said anything. They have about Toronto.

Again, stop fixating on the data.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Lol this is so ridiculous.

How a team hitting a NORMAL amount of HR's more than away is cheating is beyond me.

Heaven forbid an "abnormal" stat that doesn't even break records. Feel sorry for the next team that does break a HR record, cause you can only cheat to pull that off apparently.

How did Rogers Center all of a sudden become one of the top 5 HR parks in the last 50 years, with the visiting team batted ball HR% staying virtually the same?

If you want to chalk that up to the Jays becoming a power team, fine. But then you have to explain their road percentages remaining largely stagnant over the same period. If this was the second coming of the Bronx Bombers, the road data would jump, too.

Its hard to argue a lot of that math at the end of the article, especially when combined with the rest of this. It looks bad.

 

[EmpireWF]

But is the man in white still there?

The bullpen guys should have relayed to one of the guys in the clubhouse to go check out the guy in white up close, perhaps get photographic or video proof of his chicanery.

 

[NAHSTE]

How did Rogers Center all of a sudden become one of the top 5 HR parks in the last 50 years, with the visiting team batted ball HR% staying virtually the same?

If you want to chalk that up to the Jays becoming a power team, fine. But then you have to explain their road percentages remaining largely stagnant over the same period. If this was the second coming of the Bronx Bombers, the road data would jump, too.

Its hard to argue a lot of that math at the end of the article, especially when combined with the rest of this. It looks bad.

Or how about how Alex Gonzalez went from hitting 17 home runs in 350 at bats with the Blue Jays in 2010 to only hitting 16 total for Atlanta in the 600 at bats from 2010 and 2011 combined?

Or how about how Yunel Escobar saw his slugging jump from .284 to .356 after being traded to Toronto in 2010? This year his .822 OPS is nearly 150 points higher than his last two seasons in Atlanta.

Or you know, that Bautista guy.

 

[Chrispy]

Also LOL @ Yankees texting each other during games.

Where in the story does it say that?

Only part i see is Granderson got a text from another player. So...

 

[FedEx227]

Blue Jays +33HR at home in 2010

Lets compare.

Yankees +15 HR's at home
Reds +16 HR's at home
Brewers +18HR at home
Chi Sox +45HR at home
Dbacks +18HR at home
Phillies +22HR at home

....

That data is irrelevant if you don't take into account park factors for both teams.

Those teams are all + HR at home because they play in the most HR friendly ballparks in the majors.

 

[killgod]

And only one of those teams has been accused of having a guy in CF relaying signs. Maybe the other teams are cheating too, but nobody has said anything. They have about Toronto.

Again, stop fixating on the data.

The data (which is more proof than annoymous yankees rage) says hitting +33HR at home is not "abnormal"

You want me to stop "fixating on the data" because it supports the notion that this is nonsense.

How did Rogers Center all of a sudden become one of the top 5 HR parks in the last 50 years, with the visiting team batted ball HR% staying virtually the same?

If you want to chalk that up to the Jays becoming a power team, fine. But then you have to explain their road percentages remaining largely stagnant over the same period. If this was the second coming of the Bronx Bombers, the road data would jump, too.

Its hard to argue a lot of that math at the end of the article, especially when combined with the rest of this. It looks bad.

Lets look at some numbers and I'll use the Chicago White Sox and their +45HR home rate in the same OPS model applied to Toronto

OPS
Konerko 1.137/.831
Quinten .943/.690
Jones .919/.729
Beckham .748/.651

RUH ROH. DOUBLE IDENTITIES IN CHICAGO! LOOK FOR THE MAN IN WHITE!