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I am saying that SS and 3B are really big upgrades over what they were last season. Betancourt couldnt hit worth of shit and was one of the worst defensive SS in the league. So, Gonzalez being above-average at D is doing to improve the club. Scouts and Gord Ash said Alex G would save about 30 more runs on defense compared to Betancourt, don't you think that would help the team next year?

McGehee hit like .220 last year, don't you think Arams will be a big offensive upgrade over McGehee?

1B is a huge question mark for me. Gamel needs to produce.

Aramis Ramirez is a :turrible: signing for you guys. And I would say that about any NL team that signed him. Ramirez' body is beginning to break down and he really needs to be in the AL where he can be a DH. He hasn't played a full season since 2008, his defense is getting worse and his power has gone down as well, and that started back in 2007.

I'll give the Brewers Gonzalez, but there were still other options in the trade market as well. Just from my team, the Orioles were shopping Robert Andino. The Red Sox also sent Jed Lowrie to the NL Central, so there were other options besides a free agent.
 
Please stop. You're clearly not familiar with the prospects you're talking about at all. Odorizzi was ranked the 23rd best prospect in baseball by Baseball America in July. Alonso was left off the list. Greinke is better then Lotos, yes. But the Reds get Alonso for twice as long and and he costs less. You keep saying Escobar sucks, but the fangraph WAR projections you keep citing project Escobar to have a higher WAR then Ramirez. :troll:


Yeah, Wolf, and K-rod will be gone. But you're not even considering the raises that Braun, Weeks, Hart, Ramirez, Greinke, and Marcum will all be getting from their 2012 salaries. Not to mention that at this point all the cheap talent currently filling the roster will be arbitration eligible. That's a BIG payroll.



Both fourth outfielders. Corey Hart blows, and I'm fine with a platoon there for a year if they trade him, but his long term replacement isn't on the team right now, or down on the farm.


It is still concerning. Starting MLB firstbaseman shouldn't suck that hard playing down there. I hope Gamel can regain the hitting prowess that made him a top prospect, but there really isn't much to be optimistic about.


I've never disputed Greinke's God status, but what happens when the offense sucks ass because Braun is out 50 games? The fans will stop showing up that's a fact. Braun and Fielder were the main draws, and without them fans will lose interest if the Brewers fall in a hole to start the season. It's pessimistic but true, one of the problems of playing in the smallest market in baseball. The payroll is stretched to the limits as it is, and that's coming off a NLCS run. Attanasio wants to win but he isn't stupid either, if the Brewers have a let down season (likely) that payroll is getting slashed.


Trade for Jed Lowrie. Sign Carlos Pena to a one year deal. Low risk-high reward moves, don't sign old injury prone players prone to regress.


Carlos Pena wants a 2 years, 10 mil per deal. So you would wanna pay Pena 2/20? I wanted Milwaukee to sign Beltran for RF and move Hart to 1B, but I also heard Hart doesnt want to move to 1B.

Jake O took a step backwards last year, his veloicty was down compared to previous years. Last year in AA for the Royals he was actually: 5-3, 4.72 ERA, 5.09 FIP. 68.2 IP, 54 K, 22 BB, 66 H.

Cain and him was probably the only two good players in that whole package.

Escobar had a 2.2 WAR last year but that was because he had a 10.2 UZR. With the Brewers, he had a -1.4 and 3.8 UZR in 09 and 10. He was always known for his defense though. And without him, Brewers don't land Greinke.
 
Carlos Pena wants a 2 years, 10 mil per deal. So you would wanna pay Pena 2/20? I wanted Milwaukee to sign Beltran for RF and move Hart to 1B, but I also heard Hart doesnt want to move to 1B.
Two years, maybe. But Jim Hendry is gone, he won't get 10 million per again. And even 2/20 has a lot less risk then the Ramirez deal for a very similar skill set.

Jake O took a step backwards last year, his veloicty was down compared to previous years. Last year in AA for the Royals he was actually: 5-3, 4.72 ERA, 5.09 FIP. 68.2 IP, 54 K, 22 BB, 66 H.
IN A HALF SEASON AT AA BALL WHEN HE WAS 21! Please stop.

Cain and him was probably the only two good players in that whole package.

Escobar had a 2.2 WAR last year but that was because he had a 10.2 UZR. With the Brewers, he had a -1.4 and 3.8 UZR in 09 and 10. He was always known for his defense though. And without him, Brewers don't land Greinke.
So Escobar isn't good? His 2.2 WAR sure seems to be better then Gonzalez's, you know the guy you've labeled as a difference maker. Sure Escobar's bat might not have much pop, but he's still young.

You seem to not take the age of players into account at all. Old players will likely regress, and young players might struggle when they get promoted to the next level.
 
Two years, maybe. But Jim Hendry is gone, he won't get 10 million per again. And even 2/20 has a lot less risk then the Ramirez deal for a very similar skill set.


IN A HALF SEASON AT AA BALL WHEN HE WAS 21! Please stop.


So Escobar isn't good? His 2.2 WAR sure seems to be better then Gonzalez's, you know the guy you've labeled as a difference maker. Sure Escobar's bat might not have much pop, but he's still young.

You seem to not take the age of players into account at all. Old players will likely regress, and young players might struggle when they get promoted to the next level.

He reminds me of baseball posters at CCS who want every prospect up to the bigs now. If they fail, they fail and will never be good and move on. Everyone is always so enamored with can't miss guys that rake at every level that they forget about the solid prospects that turn into really solid/good major leaguers that progress normally through the minors. The perspective of some baseball fans is maddening.
 
He reminds me of baseball posters at CCS who want every prospect up to the bigs now. If they fail, they fail and will never be good and move on. Everyone is always so enamored with can't miss guys that rake at every level that they forget about the solid prospects that turn into really solid/good major leaguers that progress normally through the minors. The perspective of some baseball fans is maddening.

It is because of the instant gratification from other sports. Baseball and hockey are the two big sports that have a progressive minor league system. In the NBA, some second round picks aren't even a lock to make rosters, and in the NFL, even a "project" first round pick might see the field at times.

I would not call these baseball fans "not fans" but they have a skewed perception of things because they are likely fans of NFL and NBA first.
 
Resigning zack greinke should be the Brewers number one goal. If signing Reyes prevents them from signing Greinke then I'll pass.

I don't want the 2013 rotation to be:
Yovani gallardo
"Doug Melvin free agent special"
Chris Narveson
Michael Fiers
Willy Peralta

Bumping because woy thanked this post today. Unfortunately I nailed this one.
 
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