Is it time to dethrone Tom Brady?

[killgod]

Quitting the thread because they're similar? Low INT count, quiet numbers, pretty damn good quarterback last I checked. He's had some sort of postseason success. He wasn't ever terrible, he just got placed in situations that weren't in his favor, something Brady never had to deal.

Check again.

Brunell 182 TD, 108 INT, 32K yds, 59% 175 GP
Brady 225 TD, 99 INT, 31K yds, 63% 129 GP

Did you forget to notice that Brunell has played almost 4 seasons more? :shot:

Brady will likely be over 300 TD passes when he's played the same amount of games Brunell has, quite likely 40K yards too. Brunell will be lucky to take another snap.

Brunell has 3 20+ TD seasons (in like 13 seasons of starting), his highest being fucking 23. Brady has done that in every season he's played besides his first year starting (18) and his injured year.

Again, what the fuck?

 

[davie]

Check again.

Brunell 182 TD, 108 INT, 32K yds, 59% 175 GP
Brady 225 TD, 99 INT, 31K yds, 63% 129 GP

Did you forget to notice that Brunell has played almost 4 seasons more? :shot:

Brady will likely be over 300 TD passes when he's played the same amount of games Brunell has, quite likely 40K yards too. Brunell will be lucky to take another snap.

Again, what the fuck?

Those 4 seaons won't have been situations in his favour.

 

[Deviant]

Check again.

Brunell 182 TD, 108 INT, 32K yds, 59% 175 GP
Brady 225 TD, 99 INT, 31K yds, 63% 129 GP

Did you forget to notice that Brunell has played almost 4 seasons more? :shot:

Brady will likely be over 300 TD passes when he's played the same amount of games Brunell has, quite likely 40K yards too. Brunell will be lucky to take another snap.

Again, what the fuck?

Key term of the day: similar

Definition: Resembling without being identical

Also, don't forget that Brunell can make appearances WITHOUT STARTING, which he has done somewhere between 10-20 times in his career.

EDIT: Just checked, Brunell started in 150. Brady in 129. 175? Overinflation much?

 

[killgod]

Key term of the day: similar

Definition: Resembling without being identical

Also, don't forget that Brunell can make appearances WITHOUT STARTING, which he has done somewhere between 10-20 times in his career.

EDIT: Just checked, Brunell started in 150. Brady in 129. 175? Overinflation much?

So now a bench rider is equal to a 3 Time Champ/Record holder?

Doesn't dispute the fact that at the end of the day, Brady's accomplishments will shit all fucking over Mark Brunell like a fucking jap scat porn.

Doesn't change the fact that you wrote an article about dethroning a QB who isn't even the best in the league.

Doesn't change the fact that you are comparing Brady to a fucking bum who has only once ever broken the top 5 in passing yards and did it in a fucking year where he threw MORE INT's than TD's.


God damn this sucks so fucking hard.

Brunell spent the glory years of his career with Jimmy Smith (15th all time in Receptions/Yards). Brady won 3 superbowls before he had a target that was a household name, before that he was throwing TD's to fucking LINEBACKERS.

 

[FirstTimer]

Killgod is full of pwn this thread.

Dev. STFU.

Brady and Mark Brunell similar?

Yeah...they are both white.

/similar

 

[Saluki]

So i decided i'd actually read the article, and are u serious? Just because he had whats a mediorce season for him he was still top 5 in yards and #6 in TDs in a season where nobody expected much because it take TWO years to recover from that type of injury. But since he didnt throw for 4500 yards he's not a top 5 QB anymore?

It wouldn’t shock me in the least if he’s no longer playing for New England and with another team in the next 3-5 years.

:facepalm:

He doesn’t throw the ball as far down field as the elites of the NFL

What are u even talking about? You do realize most of mannings passes are short - med throws, Brady prob goes deep more than any other elite QB, and even if he didn't what the fuck does that have to do with anything? God i feel like i lost braincells reading that.

 

[Deviant]

So now a bench rider is equal to a 3 Time Champ/Record holder?

Doesn't dispute the fact that at the end of the day, Brady's accomplishments will shit all fucking over Mark Brunell like a fucking jap scat porn.

Doesn't change the fact that you wrote an article about dethroning a QB who isn't even the best in the league.

Doesn't change the fact that you are comparing Brady to a fucking bum who has only once ever broken the top 5 in passing yards and did it in a fucking year where he threw MORE INT's than TD's.


God damn this sucks so fucking hard.

Brunell spent the glory years of his career with Jimmy Smith (15th all time in Receptions/Yards). Brady won 3 superbowls before he had a target that was a household name, before that he was throwing TD's to fucking LINEBACKERS.

I wrote an article about dethroning a guy who people still consider a Top Three quarterback or is 1a/1b with Manning, which I think is a valid article when people come back and still try to argue that he's a Top Three/the best quarterback, so please shut the fuck up about it.


Similarities between Brunell and Brady:

- You mentioned Brunell only cracked the Top 5 passing yards once in his career. Guess how many times Tom Brady has done it? Twice.

- Bradshaw's accomplishments shit on Esiason's. Does that make him a better quarterback?

- Took away the worst and best years both quarterbacks and added a third. Eliminated their firm stats and offered their averages. Each quarterback listed has played for 8 or more seasons.

6.7 YPA, (4.3% TD/2.1% INT)
6.7 YPA, (4.1% TD/2.1% INT)
7.0 YPA, (4.8% TD/2.4% INT)

Outside of a .3 YPA difference, they look pretty similar to me.

 

[Senser81]

- You mentioned Brunell only cracked the Top 5 passing yards once in his career. Guess how many times Tom Brady has done it? Twice.

Brady's played about half as long as Brunell.

- Bradshaw's accomplishments shit on Esiason's. Does that make him a better quarterback?

Somewhat, but it definitely doesn't make Bradshaw "similar" to Esiason. I would take Bradshaw over Esiason any day of the week, FWIW.

- Took away the worst and best years both quarterbacks and added a third. Eliminated their firm stats and offered their averages. Each quarterback listed has played for 8 or more seasons.

Brady's best year is record-setting, Brunell's best year is "notable". I would assume Brady's worst year is "similar" to one of Brunell's best years.

Why did you take away their worst and best years?

 

[bucky]

Why did you take away their worst and best years?

That's seems goofy to me too.

 

[FirstTimer]

Why did you take away their worst and best years?

Because he had to write a shitty article.

 

[FirstTimer]

- You mentioned Brunell only cracked the Top 5 passing yards once in his career. Guess how many times Tom Brady has done it? Twice.

Let's look at Top 10's of some major stats:

Yards: Brady 7 times. Lead the NFL twice. Brunell, 3 times. Lead NFL once.

TD's: Brady 7 times. Lead league twice. Brunell, 3 times.

Completion percentage: Brady 5 times. Lead NFL once Brunell, 3 times.

Passer rating: Brady 8 times. Lead League once. Career rating of 93.3 7th all time. Brunell 7 times. Career rating 83.9 26th all time.


These are all with Brady being in the NFL for 5 fewer seasons.

Again. STFU. For the love of God.


NOONE whoever saw both these gusy play would EVER....EVER confuse them or even call them similar.

 

[Deviant]

So i decided i'd actually read the article, and are u serious? Just because he had whats a mediorce season for him he was still top 5 in yards and #6 in TDs in a season where nobody expected much because it take TWO years to recover from that type of injury. But since he didnt throw for 4500 yards he's not a top 5 QB anymore?

It's more than just the season he had. Look at the quarterbacks around him. It's not like I'm saying Matt Ryan or Jay Cutler is greater than or equal to Brady. I'm comparing him to legitimately the Top Five quarterbacks of the NFL and saying he isn't of that ranking anymore. Yes, I understand that Brady has the history, the rings, and all of that. I do believe he is of the better quarterbacks in the league. However, he's is not one of the best.

Also, towards the end of the season, Brady seemed to get worse, which is funny because people began saying "Brady's Back" by mid-season. Given, the end of the season for the Patriots may have been the toughest, but he actually shat himself in the playoffs and lost in the first round for the first time, ever. I understand the severity of his injury, but he went backwards, not forward.

Brady's played about half as long as Brunell.

True. However, the bulk of Brunell's work is for about as long as Brady has been playing.

Somewhat, but it definitely doesn't make Bradshaw "similar" to Esiason. I would take Bradshaw over Esiason any day of the week, FWIW.

I'm not saying Esiason is similar to Bradshaw. But, I'm proposing the idea that championship don't make a quarterback better.

Brady's best year is record-setting, Brunell's best year is "notable". I would assume Brady's worst year is "similar" to one of Brunell's best years. Why did you take away their worst and best years?

Brady's worst year is his first season with the Patriots. It's similar to one of Brunell's better years, for sure, but looking at their seasons, they are similar. Brunell never threw the ball as much as Brady did, so I can't compare them on raw stats alone. However, in terms of percentages and ratios, they're similar.

I took the worst and best years away because inflation happens that way. It's essentially the "Hall of Fame argument" when comparing players and their similarities, so I used it here to compare these two. It's fair to do considering their years are fairly consistent (excluding those awkward years with Brunell where he wasn't starting). I can see where it becomes difficult to compare him to Brunell with that huge season Brady had in 2007, but certainly without that, they're comparable.

Fine. Let's say they're not fair to compare. Would you at least say McNabb, who I mentioned before, is a fair comparison?

 

[FirstTimer]

Brady's worst year is his first season with the Patriots. It's similar to one of Brunell's better years, for sure,

K thnx Bai.

 

[Senser81]

I took the worst and best years away because inflation happens that way. I

How could two entire seasons be considered "inflation"?

 

[Deviant]

Let's look at Top 10's of some major stats:

Yards: Brady 7 times. Lead the NFL twice. Brunell, 3 times. Lead NFL once.

TD's: Brady 7 times. Lead league twice. Brunell, 3 times.

Completion percentage: Brady 5 times. Lead NFL once Brunell, 3 times.

Passer rating: Brady 8 times. Lead League once. Career rating of 93.3 7th all time. Brunell 7 times. Career rating 83.9 26th all time.


These are all with Brady being in the NFL for 5 fewer seasons.

Again. STFU. For the love of God.


NOONE whoever saw both these gusy play would EVER....EVER confuse them or even call them similar.

Similar, not equal. I am not saying Tom Brady = Mark Brunell. Obviously, they're not going to be the same in terms of leaders in major statistics because in Brunell's seasons, he doesn't throw as much as Brady. Brady throws the ball over 500 times almost every season. Brunell has only thrown 500+ times twice in his career, so of course Brady's going to take a lot of raw statistical honors. However, when you compare their average and compare qualities (in terms of TD%, INT%, YPA, CMP%), they are similar.

No, I would never confuse the two, ever. I'm not stupid. However, you're interpreting similar as equal, which is NOT what I'm saying.

How could two entire seasons be considered "inflation"?

Because the personal season best/worst for a quarterback may not even come close to any other season the quarterback has had in his career. Certainly Brady's case in this matter. Quarterbacks can have really good seasons and really bad seasons. Doing this helps find a more accurate average.

For instance, Brady's average TD% is 5.3. He has only touched an average of 5.3 or greater twice in his career.

Take away his best season ever and it's 4.6. Take away his worst as well and it's 4.8. Tom Brady has hit 4.8 or greater four out of nine times (had a few 4.7's).

 

[Archer]

Trying to compare one of the best QBs of this generation to Mark Brunell is crazy

I hate Tom Brady as much as the next guy but you can't doubt the mans talent. Nor can you blame him for situations he was put in

He wasn't asked to win the game on his own in the early days and did a great job of moving the ball and not throwing ints. He's a great Quarterback and still top 2-3 imo

 

[FirstTimer]

Similar, not equal.

They are not similar number wise.

They are not similar number wise head to head.

They are not similar number wise in relation to their peers.

They are not similar individual accomplishment wise.

They are not similar team accomplishment wise.

They are in no way shape or form similar.

The fact that you keep acting as though they are is astounding.

Please stop.

It's seriously painful.

I am not saying Tom Brady = Mark Brunell.

Duh. We all know what "similar" means. Do you?

LOL at trying to explain what the word similar means to us when you are the one saying Mark Brunell is similar to TOM BRADY.

Obviously, they're not going to be the same in terms of leaders in major statistics because in Brunell's seasons, he doesn't throw as much as Brady.

Perhaps there is a reason for that.....perhaps the reason is that Brady is better. One would have to think that if the Jaguars had TOM BRADY as their QB instead of MARK BRUNELL that they would have thrown the ball more. Did that EVER occur to you?

 

[Senser81]

Because the personal season best/worst for a quarterback may not even come close to any other season the quarterback has had in his career. Certainly Brady's case in this matter. Quarterbacks can have really good seasons and really bad seasons. Doing this helps find a more accurate average.

For instance, Brady's average TD% is 5.3. He has only touched an average of 5.3 or greater twice in his career.

Take away his best season ever and it's 4.6. Take away his worst as well and it's 4.8. Tom Brady has hit 4.8 or greater four out of nine times (had a few 4.7's).

So you are penalizing a QB for having a really good season? That makes sense. Should we erase Roger Maris' 61 HR season, because it was "really good"?

I could understand throwing out a really bad postseason game, which was perhaps do to weather or simply just one bad game. But thats one game...I didn't think an entire season (or, in your case, since you are throwing out best and worst, TWO entire seasons) could be deemed 'inflationary'.

I guess I don't get how eliminating 32 games of a QBs career somehow gets you MORE ACCURATE averages. Logically, it would give us much less accurate data.

 

[Yawkey Way]

It's more than just the season he had. Look at the quarterbacks around him. It's not like I'm saying Matt Ryan or Jay Cutler is greater than or equal to Brady. I'm comparing him to legitimately the Top Five quarterbacks of the NFL and saying he isn't of that ranking anymore. Yes, I understand that Brady has the history, the rings, and all of that. I do believe he is of the better quarterbacks in the league. However, he's is not one of the best.

Also, towards the end of the season, Brady seemed to get worse, which is funny because people began saying "Brady's Back" by mid-season. Given, the end of the season for the Patriots may have been the toughest, but he actually shat himself in the playoffs and lost in the first round for the first time, ever. I understand the severity of his injury, but he went backwards, not forward.



True. However, the bulk of Brunell's work is for about as long as Brady has been playing.





I'm not saying Esiason is similar to Bradshaw. But, I'm proposing the idea that championship don't make a quarterback better.






Brady's worst year is his first season with the Patriots. It's similar to one of Brunell's better years, for sure, but looking at their seasons, they are similar. Brunell never threw the ball as much as Brady did, so I can't compare them on raw stats alone. However, in terms of percentages and ratios, they're similar.

I took the worst and best years away because inflation happens that way. It's essentially the "Hall of Fame argument" when comparing players and their similarities, so I used it here to compare these two. It's fair to do considering their years are fairly consistent (excluding those awkward years with Brunell where he wasn't starting). I can see where it becomes difficult to compare him to Brunell with that huge season Brady had in 2007, but certainly without that, they're comparable.

Fine. Let's say they're not fair to compare. Would you at least say McNabb, who I mentioned before, is a fair comparison?

Perhaps the fact that he played with a fractured finger on his throwing hand as well as a few cracked/possibly broken ribs could play into why he wasn't as consistent? I also wanted to point out, Brady's season last year if you take away the 2007 campaign where he went crazy would actually be considered another good season for him. 28/13 in a TD to INT ratio seems to be following his career path. You say that we should "dethrone" Brady for doing exactly what he would do in other super bowl winning seasons. Maybe you should mention the fact that the defense was the worst that he's ever played with and he had a poor running game.

 

[Senser81]

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