1 time he has won when being tied or down 3-7 going into the 4th in his last 17 attempts . Im sorry but that doesnt look like a winner to me . His defense aint making him do that
Im not saying hes a bad qb , hes just not in my top 5
Where are you getting this from? Link?
Your top 5 Qbs? im curious.
Lmao, the Saints had a better defense than the Chargers last year, and the Chargers played against better defenses as well. The only thing Brees is consistent at is missing the playoffs. Calling Brees more consistent than Ben is laughable. Ben is 8-2 in the playoffs, only missing them once.
Are you sure about this? Well the numbers and rankings say otherwise as the saints defense gave up more points than the Chargers defense did. The chargers defense gave up 21.7 points per game, why the saints d gave up 24.6. When rounded off that is 3 more points. As far as yardage is concerned, the chargers defense gave up 350 yards per game while the saints defense gave up 340. Overall, considering how the saints defense doesnt stop teams from scoring, which is one of the goals for a defense, Id give the edge to the chargers defensively. On paper, talent wise, personel wise, its not an argument. The chargers defense is better. Im not even going to begin naming names because I shouldnt have to.
Ben bens team is way better? Football is a team sport or is it not? Big Ben has had a squad since he came into the league. His rookie year the steelers went 15-1. You know damn well they didnt win that many games because of him. He managed games yes, but was he elite as in top 5 no. lol trent dilfer has ring. Dilfer>brees?
Big Ben
2008 17 tds 15 ints 60% completion percentage
2007 32 tds 11 ints 65%
2006 18 tds 23 ints 60%
his rookie year 17 tds 11 ints. 295 passing attempts
And all this big ben talk. You act like its the pittsburgh big bens. No Its the pittsburgh steelers..once againt emphasizing team. When has big ben not had a defense that wasnt top 15 in the league? And his running game. Up untill this year big ben always had a running back to take the pressure off of him. Is a running game not a qbs best friend?
Check out drew brees's states
http://www.nfl.com/players/drewbrees/profile?id=BRE229498
34 tds 17 ints 65% 413 completions 635 attempts. Those numbers are amazing. Numbers that show that the qb is the teams leader on offense. Its his offensive unit.
Im not saying that the steelers offense wasnt big bens last year because it was. His o line was horrid. Any other qb would of died behind that line. But brees has carried the offense on his shoulders for the past few years now.
I wouldn't say Brees doesn't have any help. Help doesn't always translate into wins especially when the team is always in a constant state of over achieving. The saints talent is simply lacking on defense. They haven't shown the commitment to getting talent on defense let alone sustaining it. And when you talk about wins and losts you can't disregard the obvious, there has to be some resemblance of a defense for success. They don't have to be the best defense or even 3rd or 5th best but you can't settle for a permanent spot in the 20's and worst.
Is not having a defense not having help? Thats how I look at it. In football the defense helps the offense, the offense helps the defense. They go hand and hand. You cant win consistently without the other.
) but id say hes won 1 or 2 of them out of his last 20 attempts