Are you sure about this? Well the numbers and rankings say otherwise as the saints defense gave up more points than the Chargers defense did. The chargers defense gave up 21.7 points per game, why the saints d gave up 24.6. When rounded off that is 3 more points. As far as yardage is concerned, the chargers defense gave up 350 yards per game while the saints defense gave up 340. Overall, considering how the saints defense doesnt stop teams from scoring, which is one of the goals for a defense, Id give the edge to the chargers defensively.
You're too hung up on the numbers kid. The Saints play against better offensive teams than the Chargers do. I mean unless you think it's tougher to keep the Raiders out of the endzone than the Falcons. I'm pretty sure the Chargers only played one offense ranked in the top 22, and it was the Broncos.
On paper, talent wise, personel wise, its not an argument. The chargers defense is better. Im not even going to begin naming names because I shouldnt have to.
Bullshit. The saints defense is every bit as good "personel" wise when the chargers are without Merrian. Their secondary is overrated.
Ben bens team is way better? Football is a team sport or is it not? Big Ben has had a squad since he came into the league. His rookie year the steelers went 15-1. You know damn well they didnt win that many games because of him.
Again, he plays against better competition too.
He managed games yes, but was he elite as in top 5 no. lol trent dilfer has ring. Dilfer>brees?
Did I say anything near that? You make the most horrendous fucking arguments. I said he was more consistent, and he is.
Big Ben
2008 17 tds 15 ints 60% completion percentage
2007 32 tds 11 ints 65%
2006 18 tds 23 ints 60%
his rookie year 17 tds 11 ints. 295 passing attempts
And all this big ben talk. You act like its the pittsburgh big bens. No Its the pittsburgh steelers..once againt emphasizing team. When has big ben not had a defense that wasnt top 15 in the league? And his running game. Up untill this year big ben always had a running back to take the pressure off of him. Is a running game not a qbs best friend?
And? This past year the running game was off, the offensive line has been terrible for two seasons. Playing the best defenses in the league he still led his team to the superbowl. Not to mention you think Santonio Holmes isn't a top 15 WR, so he had few weapons offensively. Yet still made big plays all year to win games, including the playoffs, and the superbowl.
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34 tds 17 ints 65% 413 completions 635 attempts. Those numbers are amazing. Numbers that show that the qb is the teams leader on offense. Its his offensive unit.
He has a better offense, considering you think Holmes isn't a top 15 WR. Numbers don't show that a qb is a leader btw. Numbers have shit to do with being a leader. A leader wins you games. Brees loses close games time and time again.
Im not saying that the steelers offense wasnt big bens last year because it was. His o line was horrid. Any other qb would of died behind that line. But brees has carried the offense on his shoulders for the past few years now.
Carried them to what? Good stats against shit defenses? Great. He doesn't win games.
Is not having a defense not having help? Thats how I look at it. In football the defense helps the offense, the offense helps the defense. They go hand and hand. You cant win consistently without the other.
And... the Steelers have two superbowls in 4 years. That offense must be doing something right. It's not the line. It's not the WR core. The running game sucked last year. What was it?
Your arguments are hilariously ignorant.
but I would certainly have Rivers , Manning , Brady and Ben ahead of him
