Jacobs: Romo Isn't That Good

[steeljake]

Do you even read the quotes you respond to?

Good God, you're fucking dense.

yes i read it, which one of those games was in the post season you dumb fucking cunt? you faggot ass cowbnoy fans are really starting to piss me off. which part of 'romo hasnt won a playoff game' arent you getting? the regular season is great and romo can get the job done, but in the post season he is garbage. to say that romo and peyton have anything more in comme than they both play the saem position is not only stupid, but god damn ignorant too. it is unreal the amount of shit a cowboys fan will try to spin to make it look like their team is a success right now when in fact it is almost as big of a failure as the raiders are right now.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

yes i read it, which one of those games was in the post season you dumb fucking cunt? you faggot ass cowbnoy fans are really starting to piss me off. which part of 'romo hasnt won a playoff game' arent you getting? the regular season is great and romo can get the job done, but in the post season he is garbage. to say that romo and peyton have anything more in comme than they both play the saem position is not only stupid, but god damn ignorant too. it is unreal the amount of shit a cowboys fan will try to spin to make it look like their team is a success right now when in fact it is almost as big of a failure as the raiders are right now.

I notice that you continue to avoid responding to my posts.

Does that make you a faggot ass Steelers fan?

 

[steeljake]

I decided to do some further research after I verbally slammed SteelJake75 to see how the modern era quarterbacks currently in the HOF fared in the playoffs. The results are actually quite surprising. The best of the best are in the HOF in Canton and even they struggled at times. Barring some exceptions, a majority of the guys in the HOF were good to average in the playoffs.

Exceptions to the Rule (Exceptional playoff records/statistics):

Player|W's|L's|TD's|INT's
Joe Montana|16|7|45|21
Bart Starr|9|1|15|3
John Elway|14|8|27|21
Terry Bradshaw|14|4|30|26
Troy Aikman|11|5|23|17
Steve Young|12|8|20|13
Roger Staubach|12|7|24|19

The combined records for these men is 88-40 and the combined TD:INT ratio is a +64.

Best of the Rest:

Player|W's|L's|TD's|INT's
Len Dawson|5|3|7|8
Dan Fouts|3|4|12|16
Bob Griese|7|5|10|12
Jim Kelly|9|8|21|28
Johnny Unitas|6|3|7|10
Y.A. Tittle|0|5|4|14
Bob Waterfield|3|3|6|11
Dan Marino|8|10|32|24
Joe Namath|2|1|3|4
Warren Moon|3|7|17|14
Fran Tarkenton|6|5|11|17

The combined record for these HOF members is 52-54 and the combined TD:INT ratio is a -28.


I then took a sample of quarterbacks from the current generation of signal callers and also found some interesting numbers. First, I only found 3 quarterbacks that I felt had truly elite playoff numbers over their careers. The rest, including Romo were good to average in the playoffs.

Best of the Best:

Player|W's|L's|TD's|INT's
Tom Brady|14|3|26|12
Ben Roethlisberger|8|2|15|12
Kurt Warner|8|3|26|13

Roethlisberger's TD:INT ratio is not that impressive, but, he has an impressive W/L record which helps him into this group. Combined these players have a playoff record of 30-8 and a TD:INT ratio of +30.

The Rest:

Player|W's|L's|TD's|INT's
Peyton Manning|7|8|22|17
Philip Rivers|3|3|7|7
Donovan McNabb|9|6|23|16
Eli Manning|4|3|8|7
Tony Romo |0|2|2|1
Brett Favre|12|10|39|28
Jake Delhomme|5|3|12|10
Marc Bulger|1|2|4|5
Matt Hasselbeck|4|5|11|8

The quarterbacks above have a combined playoff record of 45-42. The combined TD:INT ratio is a +29. The W/L pct is nowhere near Brady, Roethlisberger and Warner, but, the +/- for the TD:INT ratio is very close. This is due to Roethlisberger's +3 TD:INT ratio.

Going through all the numbers, I found exactly what I stated earlier: It is tough to win in the NFL...especially in the playoffs and "big games." Both teams are, usually, evenly matched and only the best of the best find success on a consistent basis.

Fact is, we don't know if Romo "can't win big games" as SteelJake75 has claimed. We don't know it because his career is far from over and plenty of top-notch quarterbacks have lost their first couple of playoff games. Romo has had 2 playoff appearances. Peyton Manning lost his first 4 before recording a win. Brandon Jacobs and the rest of the "satisfy me now" community should give Romo, and other quarterbacks like him, more time before passing judgement.

Don't confuse the meaning of this post. My point is not to try and make Romo an elite quarterback. I didn't say that in my initial post. All I am saying is that he is not overrated and that he is a good quarterback. A lot of the guys listed as "elite" quarterbacks have had just as much trouble as Romo in the playoffs before experiencing success.

So, SteelJake75...how does my ass taste motherfucker?

lol, all that to try and clown me? it still doesnt prove that romo is a great qb or even an elite one. no one, not even me, has ever said that tony homo didnt have the tools to be a success. he certainly has the team around him and he obviuosly has the skill set. his work ethic has been called into question as well as the fact that he has moron's for coaches. romo is being judged on what he has done so far, and what we have seen so far is that he fails to rise to the occasion in playoff games. will he always be a bust in those games? maybe, only time and opportunity will tell. you can bust out all the numbers you want, but the only ones that count when talking about 'big game' guys are post season records and right now romo's is 0-2. until he gets a few wins, he will be just an average quarter back on a good team, and no numbers you can dig up can prove otherwise. now go get your fucking shine box you drug addicted criminal waste of talent.

 

[steeljake]

Fuck u for trying so hard to make the Cowboys and its fans look a failure.1 testicle is a failure.et:

:youmad:

i dont have to try hard to make dallas and its fans look like a failure, the proof is in the pudding as they say. and as for that lame ass one nut joke, failure would have been death actually, so go play in traffic.

 

[steeljake]

I notice that you continue to avoid responding to my posts.

Does that make you a faggot ass Steelers fan?

nope, but it makes you an impatient cock sucker.

 

[Rayman]

lol one nut

All I can say is I hope the guy didn't make any deposits in the sperm bank before they cut it off.

Last thing the world needs is a guy like that to spawn.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

The only big games are in the playoffs ?

Im pretty sure theres plenty of games that involve playoff spots , knocking off divisional rivals , and facing hot or elite teams that also count for "big games".

Big games dont start in January. Fact is if you dont win a few big regular season games youll never play in January.

 

[Tailback U]

What's his win/loss record in December/January?

 

[Hasselbeck]

LMAO



O thats weird.. it was in the 4th quarter

Romo hit Townsend in stride like a Top 5 QB would.. what's your point?

 

[Rayman]

Romo hit Townsend in stride like a Top 5 QB would.. what's your point?

Only thing missing was him saying "We'll take the ball and we're gonna score"

 

[Hasselbeck]

Only thing missing was him saying "We'll take the ball and we're gonna score"

Maybe one day Romo can do that

 

[Bmore]

Last time I saw Romo, Ed Reed raped him.

 

[Rayman]

Maybe one day Romo can do that

I'll settle for the Lombardi that he'll bring home.

Lord knows Hass won't ever win one as a starter.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I'll settle for the Lombardi that he'll bring home.

Lord knows Hass won't ever win one as a starter.

He has to win a playoff game first.

 

[Rayman]

He has to win a playoff game first.

Soon enough.

 

[dboy_dc]

my internet is acting too stupid to read everything but I will mention...

Tom Brady- as much as I cant stand him has won 3 rings, and got his team to position (some were mysterious calls). However many games that "TOP 5" defense won? And since "Eli" beat "Brady" and not the Pat's Defense is Eli better than Brady?

Peyton Manning - IMO the best right now. 1 ring

Drew Brees- What has he won in the post season? Sure he's good, but he didnt even do anything when he had LT as his HB.

Rivers- There are many games that LT, Turner, Sproles won and last year it was LT and Sproles. I think Rivers is really good, but how far do they get without LT? and yes they have a lot of weapons.

Palmer- WTF has he done? Everybody that put him on their list are remedial.

Big Ben- IMO very good but overrated. Has 2 rings, so is he better than Peyton? is Peyton a choker compared to Ben? Known FACT: when the Steelers throw the Ball more than 20 times they lose 70% of those games... If you're soo good why do you rely on your "TOP 5" running game and "TOP 5" defense to win games. oh wait Dallas running game suffered injuries as well as the defense. Not to mention the drama. Matter of fact, quick question how many TD's did Big Ben throw in that first superbowl win?

other questionables

what has Hasselbeck done lately?

If Cutler is soo good will the bears dominate the NFC north?

If Rodgers is soo better than Romo what has the Packers done?

Mr. Eli - Other than overthrowing the ball with the acc of a 12 year old and having 3 very good RB's and a TOP 5 defense why isn't he winning everything? does 1 ring make him that much better?

McNabb- Has choked, is very very good dispite inaccurate passing at times. Especially when he dumps the ball on a screen to westbrook and westbrook runs forever, McNabb gets credit for that... What happened in all those NFC championships?

Romo- The year he fumbled the snap: what weapons did they have? When they lost to the Giants: what weapons did they have and wasnt TO hurt? wasn't Crayton giving up on routes when he was wide open? Last season, you've seen what TO did involving the Media... I wasnt in the locker room so I'm not pointing fingers but you clearly see a problem when a player does that. But what weapons did dallas have that stayed healthy all year other than Witten?

More to come:

but
all this bullshit I'd take so and so over Romo means you still on so and so's dick right now and when Romo wins dont come with the bullshits "what if's"

 

[Tailback U]

What's his win/loss record in December/January?

I see nobody answered. I looked it up.

5-10 in December/January

16 TDs, 20 INTs.

Wonder how many fumbles.

http://www.ktbb.com/cowboys/2008/12/28/tony-romo-decemberjanuary-stats-and-trends/

 

[RyanLeaf16]

lol, all that to try and clown me?

That wasn't the goal. You already do a pretty good job of that yourself.

it still doesnt prove that romo is a great qb or even an elite one.

Never said he was. All I did was provide the numbers of HOF quarterbacks and showed that a majority of them have struggled as well. I also reiterated my point at the end of my last post to say that I felt Romo was a good quarterback and that saying he was "overrated", as Brandon Jacobs claimed, was off-base.

no one, not even me, has ever said that tony homo didnt have the tools to be a success. he certainly has the team around him and he obviuosly has the skill set. his work ethic has been called into question as well as the fact that he has moron's for coaches. romo is being judged on what he has done so far, and what we have seen so far is that he fails to rise to the occasion in playoff games.

You said it was a "fact" that Romo can't win big games. Way to back track on your original comments and then try and twist my original argument as to why you can't judge him yet, as a basis for your logic.

will he always be a bust in those games? maybe, only time and opportunity will tell.

This is a synopsis of what I said originally. Why are you taking my viewpoint and trying to make it your own. While I am flattered that you feel like enough of a clown to use my arguments to supplement your lack of intelligence, you are clearly contradicting yourself in this post.

you can bust out all the numbers you want, but the only ones that count when talking about 'big game' guys are post season records

...and those were the numbers that I provided for a number of HOF quarterbacks and current quarterbacks.

and right now romo's is 0-2. until he gets a few wins, he will be just an average quarter back on a good team, and no numbers you can dig up can prove otherwise.

You mean like the ones that show other quarterbacks struggled early in their careers (i.e. Peyton Manning)?


Sorry, I ruined your original argument with logic and facts. I'll be sure to go to the land of imagination next time you want to talk about sports.

 

[G-men]

Oh WOW. Homo stepped p in 2007 against Philly. AJ Feeley was QBing, we were injured that year.

Did Homo step up against an injury-free Eagle team on December (26th or 27th was it? I think it was the 27th)? Nope. He flopped and guided his team to a whopping 44-6 loss. That's a great leader! Oh no I'm sorry, JESSICA SIMPSON somehow made them lose. You Conboy fans make me laugh.

good thing your cancerous DC didnt cause you to lose that game.

 

[steeljake]

You said it was a "fact" that Romo can't win big games. Way to back track on your original comments and then try and twist my original argument as to why you can't judge him yet, as a basis for your logic.

it is a fact, proven by the fact (there is thta pesky word again) that he hasnt won any big games.so if he has in fact not won any big games and i say he can't win big games, thats a fact. if you say he will win big games, thats an opinion. meaning a statement not nessecarily based on facts, but nevertheless it is supposition that is not a fact. the english lanuage isnt really that hard if you have at least an 80 IQ, which I see may or may not be true in your case.

Oh WOW. Homo stepped p in 2007 against Philly. AJ Feeley was QBing, we were injured that year.

Did Homo step up against an injury-free Eagle team on December (26th or 27th was it? I think it was the 27th)? Nope. He flopped and guided his team to a whopping 44-6 loss. That's a great leader! Oh no I'm sorry, JESSICA SIMPSON somehow made them lose. You Conboy fans make me laugh.

conboy's huh? you need to seriuosly stfu, you have no cred here bikaben, go back to your bold predictions and balming the losses on guy who had cancer.