Jets Release Tim Tebow

[Hasselbeck]

We have a smiley for that :bosh: :hitler:

A statement that ridiculous deserved the full image :lesmug:

 

[Hasselbeck]

I guess I must be mistaken. I guess the QB that I watched for 4 years at my alma mater was a different guy. I guess the guy who broke all kinds of NCAA and SEC passing records was a different number 15. Those 5 star receivers got quite a workout from 2 yards behind the line to run for almost 10,000 YAC.

Yes, he has almost 10,000 NCAA career passing yards. 10 yards per pass attempt. 67% completion.

I guess my definition of "rushing touchdowns" and "passing touchdowns" are skewed too. Or not. Since he had 57 of each.

This is all aside the point of I agree that he is not built for an NFL QB. He should switch positions to ensure his future. Pretending he wasn't an amazing college QB simply makes you look stupid.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/kerry_byrne/03/22/tim.tebow/index.html

Read it. Look at the statistics. This isn't made up.

The guy won a Heisman as a sophomore, won 2 SEC champs and won 2 national championships. He went 13-1 twice.

And you're right, I know hardly anything about the CFL. I couldn't name you a single player or more than 2 teams. I guarantee you if Tebow went there, I would watch.

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When did Skip Bayless register at VSN?

 

[JeremyHight]

Riley, how do you think Danny Wuerffel will pan out in the pros?

 

[Sven Draconian]

I find it rather interesting that Tim Tebow is acknowledged, by everyone, as a non-starting caliber QB.

For his career Tebow has a QB rating of 75 over 14 career starts with a 17/9 TD/INT ratio, 2400 yards and 6.7 YPA. Additionally he has 989 rushing and 12 TD. That gives Tebow a combined 3400 yards (rounded) and 29 TD.

Here are 7 other "franchise" QB's with comparable/worse statistics last season.

Brandon Weeden, 72 rating, 14/17 TD/INT, 6.5, 3400.

Tannehill, 76, 12/13, 6.8, 3100.

Cutler, 81, 19/14, 7.0, 3000.

Sanchez, 66, 13/18, 6.4 2900.

Bradford, 82. 21/13, 6.7 3700.

Ponder, 81, 18/12, 6.1, 2900 (+253 rushing)

Even the prodigy, Andrew Luck, isn't substantially better with QB rating of 76, 23/18 ratio, 7.0 YPA and threw for 4300. He chipped in 255 rushing with 5 TD. That gives Luck 4500 and 28 TD.He has an extra 1000 yards over about 250 passing attempts (about 130 fewer rushing).

Then you have Vick, Locker, Cassel, Quinn who were all "starters" at one point or another last year.

I'm not saying Tebow is a good QB, but he produced just as well during his opportunity as a lot of other guys. However, I do not think that there are 30 QBs who are better than him.

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm going to have to side with Firsttimer here.

If anyone is familiar with big name QBs from their favorite program flopping once they get to the pros its going to be a Notre Dame fan.

Jimmy Clausen is a great thrower.

 

[FirstTimer]

I find it rather interesting that Tim Tebow is acknowledged, by everyone, as a non-starting caliber QB.

For his career Tebow has a QB rating of 75 over 14 career starts with a 17/9 TD/INT ratio, 2400 yards and 6.7 YPA. Additionally he has 989 rushing and 12 TD. That gives Tebow a combined 3400 yards (rounded) and 29 TD.

Here are 7 other "franchise" QB's with comparable/worse statistics last season.

Brandon Weeden, 72 rating, 14/17 TD/INT, 6.5, 3400.

Tannehill, 76, 12/13, 6.8, 3100.

Cutler, 81, 19/14, 7.0, 3000.

Sanchez, 66, 13/18, 6.4 2900.

Bradford, 82. 21/13, 6.7 3700.

Ponder, 81, 18/12, 6.1, 2900 (+253 rushing)

Even the prodigy, Andrew Luck, isn't substantially better with QB rating of 76, 23/18 ratio, 7.0 YPA and threw for 4300. He chipped in 255 rushing with 5 TD. That gives Luck 4500 and 28 TD.He has an extra 1000 yards over about 250 passing attempts (about 130 fewer rushing).

Then you have Vick, Locker, Cassel, Quinn who were all "starters" at one point or another last year.

I'm not saying Tebow is a good QB, but he produced just as well during his opportunity as a lot of other guys. However, I do not think that there are 30 QBs who are better than him.

:bosh:
Kind of comparing him to the bottom of the barrel, no?

I would say Bradford etc putting up comparable numbers when being forced to throw the ball a lot or as a main part of the offense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tebow putting up pedestrian numbers when all he is asked to do is throw to keep a team off balance(20 times a game) and completes passes as a less than 50% clip. Hell even Ponder was throwing around 30 times a game.

 

[Sven Draconian]

:bosh:
Kind of comparing him to the bottom of the barrel, no?

I would say Bradford etc putting up comparable numbers when being forced to throw the ball a lot or as a main part of the offense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tebow putting up pedestrian numbers when all he is asked to do is throw to keep a team off balance and completes passes as a less than 50% clip.

Weeden, Ponder and Sanchez were recent first round picks (Sanchez now being a more distant first rounder, but was #3 overall IIRC).. I obviously separated Cassel and Quinn from the "franchise QB" category.

 

[Glenbino]

Weeden, Ponder and Sanchez were recent first round picks (Sanchez now being a more distant first rounder, but was #3 overall IIRC).. I obviously separated Cassel and Quinn from the "franchise QB" category.

If history has taught us anything though it's that the Jets, Browns and Vikings don't know dick when it comes to evaluating QBs.

 

[FirstTimer]

Weeden, Ponder and Sanchez were recent first round picks (Sanchez now being a more distant first rounder, but was #3 overall IIRC).. I obviously separated Cassel and Quinn from the "franchise QB" category.

5th overall.

But even still...if you're only going to throw the ball 20 times a game..you better do it more efficiently. Tebow had his offense figured out pretty quickly. He's 1-4 in his last 5 starts and was getting embarrassed in the losses. He's a gimmick player. I just think all production isn't equal. Vick and Cam Newton were and are far more effective runners and even they were able to shit all over Tebow's passing numbers at times and be a feared passer and complete 50% of their passes.

 

[FirstTimer]

More like anyone who has followed both college and pro football for longer than, say, a few years. It's not exactly a new phenomenon.

Also, if we're being completely accurate, ND fans don't need to wait until their big name QBs hit the pros to see them flop. :smug:

Still better than Jamarcus


:smug:

 

[NAHSTE]

Still better than Jamarcus

Dood, JaMarcus is a GREAT thrower.

*proceeds to info-dump college stats and awards*

 

[FirstTimer]

Dood, JaMarcus is a GREAT thrower.

*proceeds to info-dump college stats and awards*

Sup.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I find it rather interesting that Tim Tebow is acknowledged, by everyone, as a non-starting caliber QB.

For his career Tebow has a QB rating of 75 over 14 career starts with a 17/9 TD/INT ratio, 2400 yards and 6.7 YPA. Additionally he has 989 rushing and 12 TD. That gives Tebow a combined 3400 yards (rounded) and 29 TD.

Here are 7 other "franchise" QB's with comparable/worse statistics last season.

Brandon Weeden, 72 rating, 14/17 TD/INT, 6.5, 3400.

Tannehill, 76, 12/13, 6.8, 3100.

Cutler, 81, 19/14, 7.0, 3000.

Sanchez, 66, 13/18, 6.4 2900.

Bradford, 82. 21/13, 6.7 3700.

Ponder, 81, 18/12, 6.1, 2900 (+253 rushing)

Even the prodigy, Andrew Luck, isn't substantially better with QB rating of 76, 23/18 ratio, 7.0 YPA and threw for 4300. He chipped in 255 rushing with 5 TD. That gives Luck 4500 and 28 TD.He has an extra 1000 yards over about 250 passing attempts (about 130 fewer rushing).

Then you have Vick, Locker, Cassel, Quinn who were all "starters" at one point or another last year.

I'm not saying Tebow is a good QB, but he produced just as well during his opportunity as a lot of other guys. However, I do not think that there are 30 QBs who are better than him.

This just proves why QB rating is such a flawed statistic.

And really the only QB on that list I consider putting Tebow over is Mark Sanchez. LOL at comparing Andrew Luck to Tim Tebow though.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Still better than Jamarcus


:smug:

That's how bad Tebow is.. Seattle is like "you know what, if Russell Wilson goes down we're going to see where we go with BRADY QUINN and JERROD JOHNSON"..

 

[FirstTimer]

SEC Top 10 Completion %

Tim Couch
Teblow
Jason Campbell
Tyler Wilson
Jeff Francis
Andre Woodson
Jamarcus Russell
Wayne Peace
Aaron Murray

Top 10 Rating
Teblow
Danny Wuerrfel
Rayn Mallett
Jason Campbell
Aaron Murray
Peyton Manning
Rex Grossman
Tyler Bray
Tyler Wilson

Top 10 YPA
Teblow
Wuerffell
Mallet
Murray
Campbell
Jamarcus
Grossman
Mike Bobo
Herb Tyler
Tyler Wilson


Passing TD Leaders
Wuerrfel
P Manning
Murray
Leak
Teblow
E. Manning
Andre Woodson
Jared Lorenzen
Rex Grossman
Casey Clausen





GREAT THROWER ALERTS!

 

[FirstTimer]

This just proves why QB rating is such a flawed statistic.

And really the only QB on that list I consider putting Tebow over is Mark Sanchez. LOL at comparing Andrew Luck to Tim Tebow though.

Yeah..uhh..wut.

 

[Argath]

Colt Brennan




'Nuff said

 

[Obst]

Good thrower eh?

 

[riley420]

Jesus fucking Christ almighty.

Do the words "I DON'T THINK HE'S AN NFL QB, HE SHOULD SWITCH POSITIONS" get deleted out of all of my posts?

Are you all illiterate? I thought I was actually writing words down.

Here, lets try again: Tim Tebow is not, nor will he ever be, an NFL QB. He would do better for his career if he switched positions. He is still the all time SEC and NCAA leader in several passing categories, with multiple completions over 10-20 yards.

Side note: I have watched Tebow since he was in high school. He won multiple national championships at my alma mater. He is my avatar and has been for years. My opinion of him will not change because of what he has/not accomplished at the professional level.

Fuck Brady Quinn, fuck Jamarcus Russell, fuck Peyton manning and most of all fuck Charlie ward. Mostly because he's from F$U.

 

[Villain]

LOL at this thread and at Sven right now. Sven usually does better work in these threads. Anyways, are you really going to compare numbers when discussing QBs? This is the NFL, not baseball. You can't just put TD/INT up and use that alone to grade NFL players. You have to look at the tape and see the decisions the QBs make, etc.

Obst's GIFs are 100x more valid to the point of whether or not Tim Tebow deserves to be an NFL QB than the comparative numbers of other bad QBs. Tebow gets outplayed at practice, c'mon now.