Jets Release Tim Tebow

[ralaw]

@darrenrovell: Nebraska indoor football league team the Omaha Beef offer Tim Tebow $75 a game. Don’t guarantee he’ll start at QB.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

He was just as efficient as Weeden, Bradford, Ponder, Tannehill and Sanchez, as measured by the yards gained per passing attempt. I'm not sure what what other criteria you want for efficiency.



There are, basically, 3 stats that correlate QB play and winning %
http://www.footballperspective.com/correlating-passing-stats-with-wins/

They are QB Rating (not QBR, which is beyond silly), YPA and ANY/A. I find using all 3 to be superfluous since ANY/A is really just a combination of the other two, and I was too lazy to explain what it is. I find it tough to include adjusted yards per attempt for a QB since that includes sacks... which is only partially QB dependent.

Interestingly, completion % is among the lowest correlations of anything we would assume might have value (I think we all understand attempts and yards are dependent on the game situation more than the QB's ability).

The article does say QB rating as a predictive measure is flawed, and it is, but it's hardly worthless.



Yes, because making some GIF's is the equivalent of breaking down the tape. Every QB has bad throws, making a GIF is not an evaluation.

More specifically to my point though, is that Tebow has only had a limited opportunity to run an offense designed around him (for those 11 games in Denver). Nobody is advocating that you Tebow can be a 60% passer. However, the last 2 years have, to me atleast, proven that you can win in the NFL with a QB by running a spread offense.

It's not as good as giving the ball to Peyton/Brady/Rogers/Brees. And Tebow isn't at the level of Cam Newton/RG3/Kapernick (understatement).

That isn't the argument though. My point is that of the 32 "starting" NFL QB's, I'd probably put an Tebow in an offense designed to his strengths somewhere around 27-28. If I'm Minny, I'd rather have Tebow and AP running the offense then Ponder. I'd take Tebow over Weeden. I'd rather run the "Tebow" offense over the Sanchez shit show. I'd take Tebow over the mess that was in KC last year. I'd lean towards Tebow over Gabbert/Locker but I really haven't seen those two play enough yet.

EDIT: I'd take Tebow over Cutler too, but mostly because I think Cutler's shitty attitude and body language are more harmful than his moderately superior play is helpful.

Great post.

No NFL topic brings out the stupid like Tebow (imagine the ground that covers).

 

[ZoneBlitz]

He was just as efficient as Weeden, Bradford, Ponder, Tannehill and Sanchez, as measured by the yards gained per passing attempt. I'm not sure what what other criteria you want for efficiency.

I havent read through the thread, but thats a bad criteria for judging QB's, especially Tebow.

Everyone whos watched Tebow play knows most/many of his completions were deep shots down the field. That stat is not gonna explain that his comp% was actually extremely bad.

 

[jaxjaggywires]

If only he were even moderately accurate...he'd be great. He's just not. He's got that "it" factor, but just can't be a guy you feel like you can rely on for 60 minutes in the NFL.

 

[Aso]

Statistically Tebow was great at throwing between the numbers.

 

[jaxjaggywires]

Statistically Tebow was great at throwing between the numbers.

Watching him live....no, he wasn't.

 

[Tailback U]

It's funny how the Tebow supporters throw out all these stupid stats to make him seem as good as some of the shittiest QB's in the NFL. "He's easily as good as Brandon Weeden!" Seriously?

I don't care what the guy did for Denver or how he got them to the playoffs. When it finally boiled down to it and their season was on the line, he looked like one of the worst QB's of all time and the Broncos were flat out embarrassed in one of their worst playoff losses of all time.

That is what will happen each and every year with that guy at QB. He'll lead some amazing comebacks, he'll make some amazing plays, he may help get the team to the playoffs, and then when they play a real team he will look like a chicken with his head cut off and his team will get crushed.

 

[JimLeavy59]

It's funny how the Tebow supporters throw out all these stupid stats to make him seem as good as some of the shittiest QB's in the NFL. "He's easily as good as Brandon Weeden!" Seriously?

I don't care what the guy did for Denver or how he got them to the playoffs. When it finally boiled down to it and their season was on the line, he looked like one of the worst QB's of all time and the Broncos were flat out embarrassed in one of their worst playoff losses of all time.

That is what will happen each and every year with that guy at QB. He'll lead some amazing comebacks, he'll make some amazing plays, he may help get the team to the playoffs, and then when they play a real team he will look like a chicken with his head cut off and his team will get crushed.

Tebow fans also forget the last 3 games of that season.

 

[dave]

It's funny how the Tebow supporters throw out all these stupid stats to make him seem as good as some of the shittiest QB's in the NFL. "He's easily as good as Brandon Weeden!" Seriously?

I don't care what the guy did for Denver or how he got them to the playoffs. When it finally boiled down to it and their season was on the line, he looked like one of the worst QB's of all time and the Broncos were flat out embarrassed in one of their worst playoff losses of all time.

That is what will happen each and every year with that guy at QB. He'll lead some amazing comebacks, he'll make some amazing plays, he may help get the team to the playoffs, and then when they play a real team he will look like a chicken with his head cut off and his team will get crushed.

I understand the criticism of the anti-Tebow people, but IMO ... you give this guy an offence/offense suited around his skill-set and fully commit yourself to Tebow, it's better than hooking up with a bottom 15 NFL starter and just being average. I agree, Tim Tebow is not a typical NFL QB, his short pass accuracy and mechanics are atrocious ... but he's a winner and his teammates buy in. Tim Tebow is Ricky Bobby. First or last! I say a team like Jacksonville is insane not to give him one or two years and if it doesn't work, who cares? Blaine Gabbert/Chad Henne in an NFL market than can't sell out over Tebow? Really? Give Tebow a shot and if it doesn't work, nothing ventured, nothing gained. First or last!

 

[JimLeavy59]

I understand the criticism of the anti-Tebow people, but IMO ... you give this guy an offence/offense suited around his skill-set and fully commit yourself to Tebow, it's better than hooking up with a bottom 15 NFL starter and just being average. I agree, Tim Tebow is not a typical NFL QB, his short pass accuracy and mechanics are atrocious ... but he's a winner and his teammates buy in. Tim Tebow is Ricky Bobby. First or last! I say a team like Jacksonville is insane not to give him one or two years and if it doesn't work, who cares? Blaine Gabbert/Chad Henne in an NFL market than can't sell out over Tebow? Really? Give Tebow a shot and if it doesn't work, nothing ventured, nothing gained. First or last!

Yeah going 8-8 is great.

 

[Aso]

Yeah going 8-8 is great.

They were 8-5 including the playoffs under Tebow.

And to TBU the Steelers had the #1 ranked defense going into the playoffs.

I get the point of it all though. Tebow is just too unreliable and it's hard to expect a Superbowl out of him when he's completing 40 something % of his passes.

 

[JimLeavy59]

They were 8-5 including the playoffs under Tebow.

And to TBU the Steelers had the #1 ranked defense going into the playoffs.

I get the point of it all though. Tebow is just too unreliable and it's hard to expect a Superbowl out of him when he's completing 40 something % of his passes.

Yet once again you forget the last 3 games of that season, and that Steelers defense was pretty banged up.

 

[Aso]

Yet once again you forget the last 3 games of that season, and that Steelers defense was pretty banged up.

I'm not saying he played well the final 3 games. I simply stated his overall record as QB. 7-4 during the regular season while Orton started the year 1-4 while Tebow went 1-1 in the playoffs. Looking at it straight up 8-5 doesn't look too bad.

And the only player that Steelers defense was missing was Ryan Clark.

If he didn't have this media circus surrounding him I'm sure some team would take him up as project/backup QB without hesitation imo.

 

[JimLeavy59]

I'm not saying he played well the final 3 games. I simply stated his overall record as QB. 7-4 during the regular season while Orton started the year 1-4 while Tebow went 1-1 in the playoffs. Looking at it straight up 8-5 doesn't look too bad.

And the only player that Steelers defense was missing was Ryan Clark.

If he didn't have this media circus surrounding him I'm sure some team would take him up as project/backup QB without hesitation imo.

Casey Hampton and Brett Keisel both were injured early in that game.

 

[SethMode]

I knew this would happen, but let's not act like Tebow had this amazing game against the Steelers. Demaryius Thomas deserves pretty much all of the credit. 4 catches, 2 TDs, and 204 yards (most of which came after the catch).

 

[Houston]

Thank god we finally released him. Now to let go of rex and Mark and the franchise will be able to move forward.

1 step forward, and 2 steps back if you ever have to play him again.

I remember when Glen made that post with spoilers and a music video, commemorating on Tim Tebows first TD in the NFL. It hardly got any recognition then, but boy has Tebow has come a long way here at VSN.

 

[Aso]

Tebow made some nice throws against the Steelers. It's funny how you are gonna discredit his performance and give it all to Demaryius doing it all by himself.

 

[SethMode]

Tebow made some nice throws against the Steelers. It's funny how you are gonna discredit his performance and give it all to Demaryius doing it all by himself.

He made a couple nice throws, I never said he didn't. Is it really that funny? Thomas shredded the Steelers. It wasn't like the 4 catches were all downfield. He spent the entire game embarassing the Steelers secondary after the catch. Yet his name NEVER gets mentioned, because we still have to hear about 10 for 21 Tebow. And I'm the one giving all the credit to a guy.

 

[Hitman]

I'm still bitter about him going 3 for 40 or some crazy bad number and then hitting decker at the end of the game on a perfectly placed pass to beat the chiefs.. fuck that guy..

 

[FirstTimer]

He was just as efficient as Weeden, Bradford, Ponder, Tannehill and Sanchez, as measured by the yards gained per passing attempt. I'm not sure what what other criteria you want for efficiency.

I would say Bradford etc putting up comparable numbers when being forced to throw the ball a lot or as a main part of the offense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tebow putting up pedestrian numbers when all he is asked to do is throw to keep a team off balance(20 times a game) and completes passes as a less than 50% clip. Hell even Ponder was throwing around 30 times a game.

Thanks for not addressing this.