Mel Kiper should be a politician

[Senser81]

The guy has no conscience. I guess he put out a list of top draft busts in the last 30 years, and Tony Mandarich was nowhere to be found. When called out on this glaring oversight, Kiper explained that Mandarich wasn't a bust "because he played well with Indianapolis". Really? Starting for 2 years with the Colts with no distinction somehow makes up for the fact that the Packers selected Mandarich #2 overall amongst some of the greatest players of all time (Aikman, Deion, Barry Sanders) and ended up releasing him after 3 seasons because he sucked so much?

Chalk this up as 2011's confirmation that Kiper is still a retarded douche, whose only contribution to society is his doucheoffs with Todd McShay.

 

[MrBill]

Kiper is a bum.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

VIPER!!!!​

 

[manchild24]

Him and McShay agree on the first 5 picks of tomorrows draft. WTF

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Draft "expert".

I don't know whose job is more of a a fraud, Kiper or guys like Eric Karabell & Matthew Berry, fantasy "experts".

 

[manchild24]

Draft "expert".

I don't know whose job is more of a a fraud, Kiper or guys like Eric Karabell & Matthew Berry, fantasy "experts".

any of these "experts" suck balls. You know how many times these experts cost me. Remember them saying dont play TO or 85 he doenst have a good track record vs this team. 100+ and 2TDs later.

I wish Trev Albert would have punched out Kiper that year when he said the COlts wasted a pick.

I loved watching Kiper cry with each pick last year when his chosen boy Clausen wasnt selected.

I also love "they need help in the OL, (insert OL name here) is the best guy on my board, they gotta go OL here" With the next pick the Redskins select (insert players name) CB University of Miami

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Draft "expert".

I don't know whose job is more of a a fraud, Kiper or guys like Eric Karabell & Matthew Berry, fantasy "experts".

Kiper has been amateur scouting and Don Kernodle'ing with higher ups in the biz for eons...he's as much of an "expert" as most hired scouts and NFL personnel men. I just think he slacks at this point and doesn't actually go with his own evaluation of a player. He used to be more daring and go with his own evals, but not anymore.

I have no idea how you are a fantasy expert, but ok.

 

[spiker]

Kiper's big board last year was fucked.

 

[Senser81]

Kiper has been amateur scouting and Don Kernodle'ing with higher ups in the biz for eons...he's as much of an "expert" as most hired scouts and NFL personnel men.

Amateur scout and NFL scout are two completely different things. The NFL scout's job is on the line, so they are going to be more conservative with their picks and probably rely a bit more on 'measureables' to justify their selections. They also have to take into account what type of system their team uses and what their coaches want. Kiper has no job, no one to answer to, and isn't confined by his team's system.

 

[NAHSTE]

Draft "expert".

I don't know whose job is more of a a fraud, Kiper or guys like Eric Karabell & Matthew Berry, fantasy "experts".

But how else would we know who was good?

 

[EmpireWF]

I'd like to see ESPN put a weatherman in Kiper's spot for a draft. Everything else being equal, it would make things much more entertaining.

 

[mgoblue2290]

I've always wanted to apply for the job of ESPN Draft expert. My credentials include finding gems in the late rounds of Madden.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Amateur scout and NFL scout are two completely different things. The NFL scout's job is on the line, so they are going to be more conservative with their picks and probably rely a bit more on 'measureables' to justify their selections. They also have to take into account what type of system their team uses and what their coaches want. Kiper has no job, no one to answer to, and isn't confined by his team's system.

You haven't met too many scouts lol. Teams employ scouts with far less credentials than Kiper on a yearly basis, and teams don't actually keep track of hits and misses by their scouts either (they really don't). Scouts just provide their opinion with the information they have and collected. There can be wildly differing opinions on the same player in the same draft room. And honestly, Kiper is getting paid to be a scout and an on-air personality, so, really, he's a professional scout. Most, if not all teams also subscribe to his draft book, too (as teams and colleges do all of the time, subscribe to these scouting services, many of which started out as amateur operations).

But really, all of the underlined is fluff. Who cares?

As for not being confined by a system, it is what makes his job, if you want to call it that, more difficult, as theoretically, is projecting talent, not fit to a certain team, scheme, or whatever. When a players busts and Kiper ranks him high, we'll bust Kiper's balls about it, but we forget, a team made that pick, too.

I've seen a few actual team horizontal boards for the draft (Dolphins in person twice, got some info on the Jaguars draft board from someone I trust, and I do recall a Cowboys one from a few years ago)...their board and evaluation is no better or worse than Kiper...as for one of the Dolphins boards, it was laughable before and after.

There are 32 teams with varying opinions and criteria, and then everyone outside of that bubble has opinions of their own. Just take it for whatever it is worth to you, which is probably nothing. Its one big game of luck outside of a few players every year.

 

[manchild24]

I'd like to see ESPN put a weatherman in Kiper's spot for a draft. Everything else being equal, it would make things much more entertaining.

just what is the difference between partly sunny and partly cloudy?

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

just what is the difference between partly sunny and partly cloudy?

Whether or not it has a high motor.

 

[Survivor]

I agree with Larry. Go look at your favorite team's scouting staff. While many are former college players and coaches, lots of them are relatives or transfers from business operations. Kiper is much an expert as any of the other guys... You might not agree but don't call him a fraud. Scouts are like stock brokers... Professionals at educated guessing.

 

[CCBrink]

Him and McShay agree on the first 5 picks of tomorrows draft. WTF

First 11

 

[Senser81]

You haven't met too many scouts lol. Teams employ scouts with far less credentials than Kiper on a yearly basis, and teams don't actually keep track of hits and misses by their scouts either (they really don't). Scouts just provide their opinion with the information they have and collected. There can be wildly differing opinions on the same player in the same draft room. And honestly, Kiper is getting paid to be a scout and an on-air personality, so, really, he's a professional scout. Most, if not all teams also subscribe to his draft book, too (as teams and colleges do all of the time, subscribe to these scouting services, many of which started out as amateur operations).

But really, all of the underlined is fluff. Who cares?

As for not being confined by a system, it is what makes his job, if you want to call it that, more difficult, as theoretically, is projecting talent, not fit to a certain team, scheme, or whatever. When a players busts and Kiper ranks him high, we'll bust Kiper's balls about it, but we forget, a team made that pick, too.

I've seen a few actual team horizontal boards for the draft (Dolphins in person twice, got some info on the Jaguars draft board from someone I trust, and I do recall a Cowboys one from a few years ago)...their board and evaluation is no better or worse than Kiper...as for one of the Dolphins boards, it was laughable before and after.

There are 32 teams with varying opinions and criteria, and then everyone outside of that bubble has opinions of their own. Just take it for whatever it is worth to you, which is probably nothing. Its one big game of luck outside of a few players every year.

My friend is an NFL scout, and has been for years. Amazingly, after his first year in the business, he had more "credentials" than Kiper because he could list 1 year of NFL scouting experience on his resume, whereas Kiper cannot.

Aside from that snarkism, I agree with the rest of your posting for the most part.

 

[Senser81]

Go look at your favorite team's scouting staff. While many are former college players and coaches, lots of them are relatives or transfers from business operations.

Who??

 

[Scikotic]

Who listens to this ass-hat anyway? The only one worth listening to is Mike Mayock. Anyone with half a brain already knows this...