Miami Football is a joke

[steeljake]

the title of this thread should read college footbal is a joke.

 

[FedEx227]

College football isn't really a joke though. (Unless you aren't a fan, but whatever) The joke is the fact that they treat it like something it's not.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Georgia TE Orson Charles cleared by NCAA on Miami matter

ATHENS – Neither Georgia nor tight end Orson Charles will face any NCAA repercussions with regard to Charles’ inclusion in the Yahoo! Sports report on a rogue Miami booster he is alleged to have met during recruiting.

So says UGA in a brief statement it released about the situation late Wednesday morning.

“The University of Georgia is aware of the article mentioning Orson Charles and has been in communication with the NCAA. There are no issues with UGA or eligibility issues with Orson Charles. UGA will have no further comment regarding this matter.”

:yeah:

No trail...smart boy.

:seeyou:

Also, Robert Marve just got cleared by Purdue.

Might be looking good for our current players named in this.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

the title of this thread should read college footbal is a joke.

The title is the title...

Why?

Because Miami got busted and they didn't win shit. It was the worst decade of Miami football since we were giving away tickets to games for buying a Big Mac (the late 70's) and we were fucking awful.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

First timer...here are some things...I'll post them as I re-stumble upon them.

On Olivier Vernon's accusation page, Shapiro claims to have watched the 2008 UM/FSU game in Shapiro's box with Vernon (recruit at the time); Shapiro claims they stayed in the suite until almost midnight. Yet on Robert Marve's accusation page, Shapiro claims to have racked up over $1,600 at Cameo for players that same night with a credit card statement showing a transaction date of 10/4/08. How could Shapiro travel 19 miles from the stadium to Cameo while it was raining, spend $1,600 and pay the tab all before midnight? If Shapiro closed his tab that night after midnight, then the credit card statement would show a transaction date of 10/5/08.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

This one defies reality.

Shapiro alleges that he took Spence, Johnson, Forston and possibly others to Benihana for dinner. The proof is an $83 credit card receipt (and a $15 tip) and some unnamed source who vaguely alleges that he/she saw them there together. That's right an $83 tab.

I'm not sure what coupons he brought with him, but there is absolutely no way Shapiro could take 3 to 5 people to Benihana and buy them all food and drink for $83. A good entree is in the $40 range. In fact, I seriously doubt you can juyst take Marcus Forston to Benihana--and even if you just watch him eat and ate nothing yourself--that you could get out of there for under $85. The only way he doesn't eat $85+ of food at Benihana is if had literally just eaten 4 double Quarter Pounders with cheese just before he entered the door. Come on.

The Cheetah thing also seems suspect. The Cheetah was busted in 2009 and it has been reported that they kept a log of all VIP guests and that they had cameras in the VIP rooms. If they did have a group of 17 and 18 year old kids (obviously underage) at the Cheetah Club in the VIP room on film that has been reviewed by federal prosecutors, wouldn't we have heard about it before?

 

[Prodigal Son]

First timer...here are some things...I'll post them as I re-stumble upon them.

On Olivier Vernon's accusation page, Shapiro claims to have watched the 2008 UM/FSU game in Shapiro's box with Vernon (recruit at the time); Shapiro claims they stayed in the suite until almost midnight. Yet on Robert Marve's accusation page, Shapiro claims to have racked up over $1,600 at Cameo for players that same night with a credit card statement showing a transaction date of 10/4/08. How could Shapiro travel 19 miles from the stadium to Cameo while it was raining, spend $1,600 and pay the tab all before midnight? If Shapiro closed his tab that night after midnight, then the credit card statement would show a transaction date of 10/5/08.

My experience with credit cards, sometimes the purchase that was made a certain day wouldn't be posted for a couple days later then when it originally happened.

Also, do Miami bars not stay open past midnight?

 

[KnightNoles]

Alright on a serious note and a huge Florida State fan, I don't really wish any harm on Miami or Florida except for a few loses in scholarships and what not but this situation is awful, bad for the rivalry. As a college football fan it sucks seeing teams go down for this shit and how terrible the NCAA is with case by case decisions. This has potential to ultimately destroy Miami, bad for FSU (in a sense) and bad for college football. It might not be the death penalty but Miami can not overcome a USC situation, why?

1) money- their funds are terrible
2) facilities- zero some d2 schools have better stuff than a 5X national champion and not to mention they have to drive x number of miles to play a home game
3) minimal fan base
4) Florida and FSU will take over south Florida recruiting
Etc

Just doesn't bold well for Miami and I have mixed emotions about the whole state of the program.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

My experience with credit cards, sometimes the purchase that was made a certain day wouldn't be posted for a couple days later then when it originally happened.

Also, do Miami bars not stay open past midnight?

Miami bars are open until 4am.

However, he said he was at Cameo after the FSU game and shows a receipt with a date of 10/4. However, said, until the end of 10/4 he was with Olivier Vernon in his suite.

He was at two places at once?

 

[BrntO4Life]

Knight,

I imagine this ends up worse than it did for USC.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

-Robert Marve was with his gf and his cousin after the FSU game, not at Cameo with Shapiro as Shapiro claims.

-There is a picture claiming to be at the Fiesta Bowl, but clearly is a picture at the Orange Bowl.

-Shapiro's payments to Allen came at a time when Allen was no longer working for the University of Miami and was, instead, working for Shapiro's sports agency.

 

[KnightNoles]

Knight,

I imagine this ends up worse than it did for USC.

I agree, it was just the benchmark case i was using

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

One person named in the Yahoo! Sports report against the University of Miami claims former booster Nevin Shapiro attempted to extort money from players.

The player, speaking on the condition of anonymity, denied accepting gifts during his UM career and said Shapiro is trying to blackmail players. Shapiro is serving a 20-year prison term for his role in a $930 million Ponzi scheme.

"This dude was a felon," the player said. "He was a schemer."

Shapiro alleges in the article he provided improper benefits such as cash, prostitutes and meals at high-end restaurants for at least 72 athletes from 2002-2010. The former player, now in the NFL, said he began hearing from Shapiro once he was incarcerated last year. Letters started showing up from Shapiro at his locker, and he also received phone calls from attorneys who claimed to represent the former booster.

According to the player, someone called on Shapiro's behalf and asked if he wanted to "buy the story off him" or else face the allegations. He said he felt Shapiro was trying to "extort" money from those players he felt he built relationships with over the years.

"He tried to get me to send him money," the player said. "He wrote me a letter. There's a letter on my locker from Nevin Shapiro and he's making threats … People were calling me trying to extort money."

Yahoo! Sports reported Shapiro had a strong presence at the program since the early portion of the decade, but the player said he appeared less frequently as coach Randy Shannon's tenure progressed. Shannon replaced Larry Coker after the 2006 season.

"Everybody knew to stay away from that guy," the player said. "Coach Shannon hated him. He told us to stay away from that guy. [Shapiro] hated coach Shannon. That why he wasn't around the program like he was earlier."

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NCAA has been fully aware of the claims for extortion for a while now, FWIW.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

An ex-Nebraska football player alleged to have accepted extra benefits from a former Miami booster acknowledges he was on a yacht owned by Nevin Shapiro — but not while he was in college. Benard Thomas' name appeared in a Yahoo! Sports report on allegations by Shapiro, the former booster and convicted Ponzi schemer. Thomas tells The Associated Press that he and high school teammate D.J. Williams were on the yacht with Shapiro but in 2005, not in 2003 as Shapiro alleges. Thomas said he was a free agent with the Jacksonville Jaguars at the time and that he had flown to Miami to hang out with Williams. Thomas' last season at Nebraska was 2004. He said he wouldn't have broken NCAA rules while in school.

 

[KnightNoles]

here we go basically backs up what i said...

Miami Hurricanes NCAA Football Sanctions & Investigation: Impact on FSU​

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2011/...a-football-sanctions-investigation-impact-fsu

The NCAA investigation into the Miami Hurricanes concerns allegations that are quite simply the most outrageous against any program in the last quarter century. The NCAA sanctions coming against the Miami Hurricanes could be something most current students have never seen.

Will Miami be able to recruit with this mess hanging over its head? How will the threat of sanctions hurt the Canes before they are even levied?No. Miami is in deep, deep trouble even if no penalty ever comes. Due to the depth of this investigation, it could take years. Other coaches will unmercifully recruit against Miami with the bad news. Miami's talent is all in its upperclassmen, and thanks to Randy Shannon, the underclassmen are no better than an average-ACC level. Golden really needed this class to be a home run. We thought he could hit a double if everything went his way. He'll be lucky to leg out an infield single this year, and without that, Miami is going to lose a lot of games because of themess Randy Shannon left. Figure 2-3 years to recover from that mess if Golden doesn't land an elite class... and that'sbeforeany official NCAA penalty. Miami is definitely in for a half-decade slump, and if things go really bad with the NCAA, the Canes could easily get passed up by USF and UCF and never get back in that third slot. If proved, it would be a shock if Miami wins more than 70 games in the next 10 years. Miami does not have the talent to be successful in 2012 and beyond, and even the threat of sanctions will make sure that doesn't change.

Anything else Miami should be worried about? Yes, money. We often remind readers how poor of a program the Hurricanes have financially. The last time Miami went on a massive probation, they were coming off a decade of dominance and national relevance. This time, not so much, having finished in the top 25 only once in the last four seasons. The crowds at Miami games will rival those at Wake and Duke, which is a big problem considering Miami's leased stadium seats twice as many as the places Wake and Duke call home.

Will this impact Miami's ability to get a stadium?That wasn't happening in Coral Gables, anyway, thanks to the lack of money and the local government's opposition. But whatever small chance someone insists Miami had of getting a stadium, that chance is now smaller.

Should FSU fans root for the death penalty? No. Not only will it not happen, but it would really hurt the ACC and could, in theory, decrease how much money FSU gets from the TV contract (again, this won't happen).

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

His older brother was at USC also was going to transfer to Miami.

Grimble brothers for Las Vegas

Talking about Seantrel Henderson.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Bryce and Arthur Brown cleared by the NCAA.

Feeling a lil bit better about the current guys and this whole situation.

 

[FirstTimer]

Bryce and Arthur Brown cleared by the NCAA.

Feeling a lil bit better about the current guys and this whole situation.

So you're not going to jump? That's good because that means I can heckle you in person next year at Soldier Field.

 

[KnightNoles]

at least Randy Shannon did one thing right :shifty:

shut shit down from Nevin

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

So you're not going to jump?

Never was.

I ain't scared, nigga. A bit disgusted we had this scumbag around the program and it eventually led to this, but I ain't scared. This shit is damning, and I have no doubt some is true...I also have no doubt we won't come out without a scratch...but I ain't scared.

That next title is gonna taste :jhenbeatkwon: