Official NCAA 12! Thread

[killgod]

lol at 6:14 the guy scores on a 4 verticals with the slot over the middle against zone coverage.

So much for fixed.

He had a Cover 2, what the fuck did you expect to happen?

Didn't realize that calling any "zone" defence should render that play 100% ineffective.

So much for logic.

 

[Irish]

It's the same flawed play. The LB breaks off the WR way too early and stands in no mans land to give up an easy TD.

There was never a problem with zone coverages and players staying in their zones, the issue is the retardation of the defenders breaking off when they should have kept with the receiver until a safety comes over top.

 

[PP]

It's the same flawed play. The LB breaks off the WR way too early and stands in no mans land to give up an easy TD.

There was never a problem with zone coverages and players staying in their zones, the issue is the retardation of the defenders breaking off when they should have kept with the receiver until a safety comes over top.

Thats the soft spot in cover 2 bro.

I didn't know LBs can cover WR 20 yards downfield either..

 

[Irish]

Yeah I guess I'd rather the LB not cover him and stay in zone instead of using common sense.

There has never been an issue with players covering their zone, except the flats, the issue is the lack of common sense and awareness of where they are on the field and who is around them. They said they fixed with players "handing" the player off to the next zone. But that doesn't work when the safeties are 5 yards away from the sideline and 5 yards deep in the endzone.

 

[Realist]

Yeah I guess I'd rather the LB not cover him and stay in zone instead of using common sense.

There has never been an issue with players covering their zone, except the flats, the issue is the lack of common sense and awareness of where they are on the field and who is around them. They said they fixed with players "handing" the player off to the next zone. But that doesn't work when the safeties are 5 yards away from the sideline and 5 yards deep in the endzone.

Because the safety had THREE guys he had to cover. What do you expect? It was trips on the right side, Cover 2, meaning there is only 1 deep safety(covering that half the field) vs 3 streaking WR's on his side. He was "5 yards away from the sideline and 5 yards deep in the endzone" to be able to cover the outside WR(B button) and the WR(LB button) inside of the outside WR. No way he would be able to cover the inside slot WR(A button) too.

There wasn't any handing off because it wasn't possible. it was a good read by the user, he threw it right over the LB's head. Not too many LB's can keep up with WR's. That play seemed realistic to me.

 

[Bear Pand]

Half the problem is there's no pass rush so you can just chuck it deep every play. Also that it's easy to accurately throw deep.

Also I'm guessing since the field isn't the right size relative to the players it changes how fast wrs can get deep as well.

 

[Irish]

The safeties are in the right position. I have no issue with that. The issue is the LB not continuing to run with the WR. He should realize nobody is over top and he should continue to cover the WR the best of his ability. Not stay in a zone with nobody in it and just let the WR run right by.

Obviously zone defense has flaws, and obviously the defender played that zone, but in a real game the LB will atleast back pedal with his eyes on the QB and trying to cover the WR. He shouldn't let the receiver run by into an uncovered middle of the field for a TD. He should have the common sense to stay with him until help comes.

 

[Realist]

The safeties are in the right position. I have no issue with that. The issue is the LB not continuing to run with the WR. He should realize nobody is over top and he should continue to cover the WR the best of his ability. Not stay in a zone with nobody in it and just let the WR run right by.

Obviously zone defense has flaws, and obviously the defender played that zone, but in a real game the LB will atleast back pedal with his eyes on the QB and trying to cover the WR. He shouldn't let the receiver run by into an uncovered middle of the field for a TD. He should have the common sense to stay with him until help comes.

Once thing you aren't taking into consideration is, we dont know the level the guy was playing on and also, we dont know the rating of the LB. If the LB is a freshman or lower rated player, those are the things that should be expect. If he's a upperclassman, then yea i guess i could see where you are coming from. Also, the guy went for 2 on a PAT. It looked like he was playing on a lower level.

I'm not trying to make an excuse for the game, all i'm saying is that, it's just one play and, all things considered, looked fairly accurate.

 

[Bear Pand]

FWIW the LBer that gets beat is a sophomore:

http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/wort_tom00.html

He's also white, so he's probably slow.

 

[Irish]

I'm just saying, to me it doesn't look like much got changed. I played NCAA 11 to death and had like 15 years of a dynasty, and I learned basically all exploits against the CPU, and 4 verticals would always cause the defense to act like retards. You can easily gain 10-40 yards every play if you know what to look for on a 4 vert play.

So when I see stuff like that I start to get skeptical if they fixed it at all.

 

[Bear Pand]

I'm just saying, to me it doesn't look like much got changed. I played NCAA 11 to death and had like 15 years of a dynasty, and I learned basically all exploits against the CPU, and 4 verticals would always cause the defense to act like retards. You can easily gain 10-40 yards every play if you know what to look for on a 4 vert play.

So when I see stuff like that I start to get skeptical if they fixed it at all.

You're right. I ran a test dynasty where I called four verticles every play. Computer never adjusts, it's one of the best money plays in the game. Works against zone or man coverage. I've seen some online dynasties where this play is banned.

I'd also say that for me personally the vids of NCAA 12 almost look exactly like NCAA 11.

The issue for me isn't that it worked on that specific play though. I'm more concerned about whether or not the computer will adjust. Example: If I call 4 verts all time will the computer keep coming out in cover 2 and letting their linebacker get beat. That's the issue. We can debate all day about what coverages 4 verts should or shouldn't work against. If the computer does a poor job picking it's defensive plays none of it matters they're going to get beaten all day.

I'm also worried about things like will there be a pass rush to make me think twice about spreading the field and leaving no hb/fb help block.

 

[Irish]

I don't think EA will ever fix the pass rush. A realistic pass rush is not casual gamer friendly.

The only hope again for that will be hoping EA tweaked the effectiveness of some sliders.

Right now with gameplay looking almost identical and no crazy awesome presentation additions, I am really hoping the Dynasty mode got a lot of new features to play around with. If not I will probably just hope someone makes some updated rosters for NCAA 11.

 

[Realist]

I'm just saying, to me it doesn't look like much got changed. I played NCAA 11 to death and had like 15 years of a dynasty, and I learned basically all exploits against the CPU, and 4 verticals would always cause the defense to act like retards. You can easily gain 10-40 yards every play if you know what to look for on a 4 vert play.

So when I see stuff like that I start to get skeptical if they fixed it at all.

Trust me, I know. I probably play NCAA more than most here, especially Online Dynasty. I know the 4 verts play very well and it's exploits. but again, unles we see it vs, say cover 3, all we got is that one play.

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

Trust me, I know. I probably play NCAA more than most here, especially Online Dynasty. I know the 4 verts play very well and it's exploits. but again, unles we see it vs, say cover 3, all we got is that one play.

Even Cover 3 a skilled user will position his WR to make the play... Idk... remember the problems with madden when Cover 3 was just boss... you really can't get back to that either, there will NEVER be a happy medium where people agree, either Man or zone will be at the very least slightly better in any game. I wouldn't like to see the LB turn and run with the WR anywhere past about 5 yards from his zone at the very most, because then we open up an entirely new flaw where people can send a TE vertical and just slant the slot WR right under it for 10+ yards every play. I was pretty happy with the game last year, there can be improvements made obviously there always will be, but there will also always be a way around things in any game, that's what gaming is and always has been since the days of warp levels in Mario Bros, and even earlier then that lol

 

[Realist]

Even Cover 3 a skilled user will position his WR to make the play... Idk... remember the problems with madden when Cover 3 was just boss... you really can't get back to that either, there will NEVER be a happy medium where people agree, either Man or zone will be at the very least slightly better in any game. I wouldn't like to see the LB turn and run with the WR anywhere past about 5 yards from his zone at the very most, because then we open up an entirely new flaw where people can send a TE vertical and just slant the slot WR right under it for 10+ yards every play. I was pretty happy with the game last year, there can be improvements made obviously there always will be, but there will also always be a way around things in any game, that's what gaming is and always has been since the days of warp levels in Mario Bros, and even earlier then that lol

You completely missed my point. It isn't about a user vs user game, or user skills or anything like that. It's about the proper play called vs the reaction of a cpu player (or CPU teammate for that matter). It was only one play, vs cover 2 and the LB got beat. Looked like a good play to me, good defense, even better offense. Lets see what would have happened vs cover 3, cover 4 or man D in the same situation (although I'm not hopeful for that either) before we called it flawed(it sure was last year).

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

Even Cover 3 a skilled user will position his WR to make the play... Idk... remember the problems with madden when Cover 3 was just boss... you really can't get back to that either, there will NEVER be a happy medium where people agree, either Man or zone will be at the very least slightly better in any game. I wouldn't like to see the LB turn and run with the WR anywhere past about 5 yards from his zone at the very most, because then we open up an entirely new flaw where people can send a TE vertical and just slant the slot WR right under it for 10+ yards every play. I was pretty happy with the game last year, there can be improvements made obviously there always will be, but there will also always be a way around things in any game, that's what gaming is and always has been since the days of warp levels in Mario Bros, and even earlier then that lol

You completely missed my point. It isn't about a user vs user game, or user skills or anything like that. It's about the proper play called vs the reaction of a cpu player (or CPU teammate for that matter). It was only one play, vs cover 2 and the LB got beat. Looked like a good play to me, good defense, even better offense. Lets see what would have happened vs cover 3, cover 4 or man D in the same situation (although I'm not hopeful for that either) before we called it flawed(it sure was last year).

That bold part was more of my point, I got your point, I was mainly responding to Irish saying he wanted the LB to carry with him, and then saying that I hope Cover 3 or any one coverage isn't completely dominant

 

[SHOGUN]

http://www.pastapadre.com/2011/05/14/ncaa-football-12-demo-outlined

EA Sports held a developer chat yesterday and The Gaming Tailgate noted some of the news to come out of that with discussion having taken place regarding the upcoming demo for NCAA Football 12. There will be two separate matchups to choose from and five Nike Pro Combat uniforms available to unlock through play. The structure would be similar to last year which instead had four matchups and offered all of the Pro Combat uniforms.

The demo for the two previous iterations arrived mid-June and last year it was the day before E3 opened. This time around the convention takes place earlier in the month with the demo said to follow. Tuesday June 14th or 21st would then be the two dates most likely for the demo to fall on.

 

[Rivers17ncsu]

I wonder which five pro combats they are. I wonder if they are different than the ones you get from pre-ordering at EB Games/Gamestop

 

[Rivers17ncsu]

Executive Producer Roy Harvey visited the set and announced a new feature: Coach Mode. This mode will allow users to call the plays and pre-snap adjustments while watching the CPU execute the plays in a broadcast style camera.

 

[Bear Pand]

They're going to use teams that have pro-combat unis and that have good pre-game entrances to show off.