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[Slateman]

we should go for one those OTs in the draft for 1st round.

maybe a FS/CB in the 2nd??

or OLine in both 1st and 2nd round??

OT, C, NT, OG in that order. I'd like a safety, but the fact is that the Redskins have ignored the offensive line and the nose tackle position for far too long. It's showing. While Griffin looked terrible, it didn't help that the offensive line was swiss cheese.

 

[x0xHumblex0x]

I guess Griffin is done in Washington. It makes zero sense to bench him for what already is a lost season. McCoy is nothing more then a backup and they already know that. They are either done with him or there is an issue with his teammates.

i dont think he done - they benched him for the last 3 games last year.
everybody thought he was done then too......
he got this year again, missed 9 games - came back but team has nothing to gain by risking injury again.
let McCoy prove himself like they did with Cousins last year.

get a high draft pick and address the OL with some DBs.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Except after his dismal performance this year, RGIII is the one that needs to prove something. McCoy already proved he can go.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Looks like this really is it for RGIII, I was still sure he would be on the roster and have some competition for the starting job next year. Doesn't seem that way.

However, it is time for celebration, as Gruden did many consider impossible- persuade Daniel Snyder on something.

It’s highly unlikely the struggling quarterback will return next season, people within the organization say. Gruden convinced owner Daniel Snyder and team President and General Manager Bruce Allen, Griffin’s biggest supporters at Redskins Park, that change was necessary. Although Griffin was coming off consecutive inept performances and had not led Washington to a victory in more than a year, don’t underestimate what Gruden accomplished in getting Snyder and Allen on his side.

Snyder and Allen were united in the belief that Griffin could turn back the clock to 2012. They hired Gruden to help make it happen, figuring it wasn’t lack of ability that derailed Griffin last season; it was Mike and Kyle Shanahan. In the past couple of weeks, though, Snyder and Allen began to see the same glaring shortcomings Gruden had noticed since the preseason, team officials say. The tape doesn’t have an agenda.

Griffin’s approach off the field was part of his undoing. Whether or not it was fair, there was a feeling among some at Redskins Park that Griffin should have spent less time in the weight room and more on honing other parts of his game. Then there was all the hoopla that went into fueling Griffin’s RGIII persona.


The Post Sports Live crew debates quarterback Robert Griffin III's future with the Redskins after another disappointing performance in the team's loss to the 49ers. (Post Sports Live/The Washington Post)
In an effort to strengthen his brand, Griffin put too much time into attempting to be universally liked on social media, leaving Gruden to wonder about the young player’s priorities. When a team’s starting quarterback fails to “get it” on more levels than a head coach cares to count, that’s a problem. Factor in that Griffin continued to regress on the field — coaches wondered aloud how Griffin could consistently fail to locate so many open receivers — and Gruden had to take the keys from Griffin or risk losing the locker room.

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[x0xHumblex0x]

Looks like this really is it for RGIII, I was still sure he would be on the roster and have some competition for the starting job next year. Doesn't seem that way.

However, it is time for celebration, as Gruden did many consider impossible- persuade Daniel Snyder on something.

i will believe it when we see it......
really dont want to start all over again unless McCoy is really much better than we have seen in the past.

there is a reason why he was 3rd string QB behind Cousins. we just havent seen much of him even when he was in Cleveland.

 

[Slateman]

Kerrigan is the elite pass rusher we were looking for

 

[Slateman]

So glad they started Colt McCoy instead of Griffin. I can totally see the difference.

 

[ralaw]

i dont think he done - they benched him for the last 3 games last year.
everybody thought he was done then too......
he got this year again, missed 9 games - came back but team has nothing to gain by risking injury again.
let McCoy prove himself like they did with Cousins last year.

get a high draft pick and address the OL with some DBs.

Most if Griffin's problem is the fact that he has been hurt and not on the field. He needs experience. Benching him in a lost season makes little sense. I could understand it if we were talking about an established quarterback, but at this point Griffin isn't that guy. He needs game experience to work through his struggles.

 

[x0xHumblex0x]

glad McCoy is answer against the Colts
:lol:


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[Slateman]

Most if Griffin's problem is the fact that he has been hurt and not on the field. He needs experience. Benching him in a lost season makes little sense. I could understand it if we were talking about an established quarterback, but at this point Griffin isn't that guy. He needs game experience to work through his struggles.

Right there with you. Just an insanely stupid move. Even if Gruden doesn't want Griffin in DC next season, he still should have played him through out the season, simply to try and increase his trade value.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

glad McCoy is answer against the Colts
:lol:


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Colt McCoy threw for more touchdown passes in one game than RGIII has thrown the entire season :kobe:

 

[Slateman]

Colt McCoy threw for more touchdown passes in one game than RGIII has thrown the entire season :kobe:

And fumbled the ball four times.

This game showed that the problem wasn't just Griffin. That offensive line is in shambles and McCoy hangs on to the ball as much as anyone. We've now had three QBs and NONE of them have played well. The Oline blows.

Honestly, I believe the Redskins need to give Griffin another chance. Frankly, they've invested too much in Griffin and frankly, he's spent the last season and a half trying to get healthy. Maybe he will never be healthy, but they need to give him the opportunity to develop. Hire coaches who know how to work with QBs who have never studied film or really developed in an offense. Give Griffin an actual offseason plan for this. Don't let him go off on his own.

In the draft, address this team's primary need: Offensive line. Stop fucking around on this issue. The Skins will have a Top 5 pick. Use it. Draft Peat in the first round. Take Cann/Matias/Grasu in the second. Get another guard in free agency. Give Griffin the confidence that he's not gonna get bum rushed on every drop back. Get some guys to block for Alfred Morris so he doesn't have to break two tackles just to get to the line of scrimmage.

And if Griffin fails then, get your rookie. He should be able to step right in and play, just like Dalton did.

 

[MmmmBeeeeer]

I'm no expert on the subject so correct me if I am wrong, but in RGIII's college/early nfl career wasn't he so hyped because of his dual threat capabilities? Now he just wants to be a pocket passer and as it turns out he is no better at that than the other 2 QB's on the team?

Also for what its worth, our secondary has been really good this year for the most part, so that didn't help out McCoy either.


I saw a stat on reddit that so far this year, opposing QB's would have had a higher rating just throwing the ball out of bounds rather than throwing at Vontae Davis.
http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2ndtq9/when_thrown_at_colts_cb_vontae_davis_is_giving_up/

 

[Slateman]

I'm no expert on the subject so correct me if I am wrong, but in RGIII's college/early nfl career wasn't he so hyped because of his dual threat capabilities? Now he just wants to be a pocket passer and as it turns out he is no better at that than the other 2 QB's on the team?

Also for what its worth, our secondary has been really good this year for the most part, so that didn't help out McCoy either.


I saw a stat on reddit that so far this year, opposing QB's would have had a higher rating just throwing the ball out of bounds rather than throwing at Vontae Davis.
http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2ndtq9/when_thrown_at_colts_cb_vontae_davis_is_giving_up/

Griffin recognized that he needs to learn how to pass from the pocket. He has not learned to do so. Last season was more OTJ and he spent his offseason rehabbing. This offseason should have been about becoming that pocket passer but he has a lot more to learn.

 

[x0xHumblex0x]

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Colt McCoy threw for more touchdown passes in one game than RGIII has thrown the entire season :kobe:

he played well in a game we didnt want to win, if we want that top 5 pick
:wink:

would ww rather see rg3 out there and risk injury in a game that means nothing.

Colts took it easy for us




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[ThomasTomasz]

I'm no expert on the subject so correct me if I am wrong, but in RGIII's college/early nfl career wasn't he so hyped because of his dual threat capabilities? Now he just wants to be a pocket passer and as it turns out he is no better at that than the other 2 QB's on the team?

Also for what its worth, our secondary has been really good this year for the most part, so that didn't help out McCoy either.


I saw a stat on reddit that so far this year, opposing QB's would have had a higher rating just throwing the ball out of bounds rather than throwing at Vontae Davis.
http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2ndtq9/when_thrown_at_colts_cb_vontae_davis_is_giving_up/

Those sacks were really coverage sacks, except that one on fourth down. That was just a bad play all around.

The issue with RGIII is that in the Jacksonville game, they got him out of the pocket and on some read options, but he got hurt again. I think Gruden had every intention of trying to mix some of that in, but everyone got cold feet when the injury happened.

At this point, I would rather give McCoy time back there to see what he can do. Bring him and RGIII back to compete next year, while we continue to build the team around them. Specifically, we need some more help on the OL, and in the secondary. I would also bring in another veteran QB to compete with that group as well. If no one can do well in 2015, that is when we look for our QB in the draft.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

he played well in a game we didnt want to win, if we want that top 5 pick
:wink:

would ww rather see rg3 out there and risk injury in a game that means nothing.

Colts took it easy for us




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I'm going to say we've seen the last of RGIII under center for the Redskins. If he is kept on the roster next season, he will be competing with at least McCoy for the starting job, and I just don't see him winning it. He has not progressed like he should have.

 

[x0xHumblex0x]

I'm going to say we've seen the last of RGIII under center for the Redskins. If he is kept on the roster next season, he will be competing with at least McCoy for the starting job, and I just don't see him winning it. He has not progressed like he should have.

anybody on the QB depth chart will be competing for that starting position next year.
they wont get rid of RG3. that would just be ridiculous since we gave all those picks away for this guy.
it wouldnt look good the team, management and the whole organization......

regardless - i would rather lose out the season and get that top 5 pick.
we need lots of help and we get that help with good solid draft picks
AND
more free cap space to go out buy solid FAs. i dont mean big names either. we need underpaid veterans that sit behind elite players

 

[ThomasTomasz]

anybody on the QB depth chart will be competing for that starting position next year.
they wont get rid of RG3. that would just be ridiculous since we gave all those picks away for this guy.
it wouldnt look good the team, management and the whole organization......

regardless - i would rather lose out the season and get that top 5 pick.
we need lots of help and we get that help with good solid draft picks
AND
more free cap space to go out buy solid FAs. i dont mean big names either. we need underpaid veterans that sit behind elite players

The bold is the reason that this team has stunk so long since the first Joe Gibbs era. If a spade isn't a spade, why continue trying to make it a spade?

 

[x0xHumblex0x]

The bold is the reason that this team has stunk so long since the first Joe Gibbs era. If a spade isn't a spade, why continue trying to make it a spade?

cuz most owners only care about making $$$
:datmoney:

they dont care how they make ticket sales, merchandise sales, endorsements, etc......

Redskins make money when we suck or struggle and Dan loves it.
:misogi: