Official Washington Redskins Forum Thread

[ThomasTomasz]

From ESPN Insider

The Redskins did not necessarily have a viable alternative when they benched Griffin for Colt McCoy. McCoy has provided an upgrade in his two starts, but first-year coach Jay Gruden needed to make this change regardless. Benching Griffin allowed Gruden to counter perceptions that he was just another puppet working under owner Dan Snyder. Those perceptions were his reality until proved otherwise.

"Everyone thought there was a double standard with the quarterback," an offensive coach from another team said. "That is over. Jay ended that."

Coaches and personnel people I've spoken with have pointed to Snyder, Arthur Blank and Jerry Jones as well-meaning owners whose close relationships with players can undercut head coaches. Snyder seemed to have Griffin's back, but it's less relevant now that Gruden has sent Griffin to the sideline.

"I love the owner at the Falcons and I love Jerry Jones, but there is an ease there that hinders production and filters to the player," one coach said before the season. "There is an excuse, something there, a soft pillow for you. ... You can change all the head coaches you want, but until that attitude changes, you have got a problem. There has to be an urgency, a level of competition to bring out the best in a player. Then the head coach can stand up and give demands and try to bring out the best in you. If you've got a place to go like that [the owner], it doesn't work."

 

[x0xHumblex0x]

From ESPN Insider

The Redskins did not necessarily have a viable alternative when they benched Griffin for Colt McCoy. McCoy has provided an upgrade in his two starts, but first-year coach Jay Gruden needed to make this change regardless. Benching Griffin allowed Gruden to counter perceptions that he was just another puppet working under owner Dan Snyder. Those perceptions were his reality until proved otherwise.

"Everyone thought there was a double standard with the quarterback," an offensive coach from another team said. "That is over. Jay ended that."

Coaches and personnel people I've spoken with have pointed to Snyder, Arthur Blank and Jerry Jones as well-meaning owners whose close relationships with players can undercut head coaches. Snyder seemed to have Griffin's back, but it's less relevant now that Gruden has sent Griffin to the sideline.

"I love the owner at the Falcons and I love Jerry Jones, but there is an ease there that hinders production and filters to the player," one coach said before the season. "There is an excuse, something there, a soft pillow for you. ... You can change all the head coaches you want, but until that attitude changes, you have got a problem. There has to be an urgency, a level of competition to bring out the best in a player. Then the head coach can stand up and give demands and try to bring out the best in you. If you've got a place to go like that [the owner], it doesn't work."

Shanahan benched RGIII for the last 3 games last year........
this move doesnt prove anything different - especially if its to show football fans that he isnt gonna be a puppet under Dan.
why risk injury on RGIII when there is nothing that can be salvaged at this point.
they couldnt win @ Vikings or 49ers. i am all for letting McCoy start......might as well see what he has left.
But
at the same time, have RGIII ready to go in if McCoy gets hurt in the last remaining games.
and Cousins doesnt even dress anymore........

 

[Slateman]

Stop looking for a quick fix. This is the entire problem with the Washington Redskins with Dan Snyder as owner. The team keeps trying for the quick fix instead of actually conducting a "rebuild." Build the nest. Build an offensive line that can pass protect and open holes for Morris. Build up some tight end depth so that we're not dependent on Jordan Reed's glass body. Get a nose tackle to anchor the 3-4. Draft some depth at OLB so we can keep our edge rushers fresh and overcome injuries. Get a quality starting safety.

In other words, take a long term approach and build up the team so that a rookie/young QB can step in and actually succeed, a la, Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, Steve Young, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck, and Andy Dalton.

 

[x0xHumblex0x]

Stop looking for a quick fix. This is the entire problem with the Washington Redskins with Dan Snyder as owner. The team keeps trying for the quick fix instead of actually conducting a "rebuild." Build the nest. Build an offensive line that can pass protect and open holes for Morris. Build up some tight end depth so that we're not dependent on Jordan Reed's glass body. Get a nose tackle to anchor the 3-4. Draft some depth at OLB so we can keep our edge rushers fresh and overcome injuries. Get a quality starting safety.

In other words, take a long term approach and build up the team so that a rookie/young QB can step in and actually succeed, a la, Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, Steve Young, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck, and Andy Dalton.

i definitely agree with that.
you could have Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning behind this Redskin line and they would be just as bad.

the 2013 draft; we should have gone for OL last draft instead of Phillip Thomas, Jordan Reed & Chris Thomas. Amerson has been the only one to step it up.
yes; easy to say now but we that the OL was getting banged up and old.
:damnit:

2014 draft has proved to be decent; Murphy, Moses and Breeland - they are young but got plenty of time since Hall, Williams and Rak went down.
if we going to struggle, let it be rebuilding struggle - get an OL in the offseason via draft AND FA.
we gonna more Cap Space......

 

[ThomasTomasz]

OG via FA, they are cheaper than safeties currently, and we've spent many mid-round picks on linemen recently. We need to see what they can do. I would go safety via the draft.

 

[Slateman]

i definitely agree with that.
you could have Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning behind this Redskin line and they would be just as bad.

the 2013 draft; we should have gone for OL last draft instead of Phillip Thomas, Jordan Reed & Chris Thomas. Amerson has been the only one to step it up.
yes; easy to say now but we that the OL was getting banged up and old.
:damnit:

2014 draft has proved to be decent; Murphy, Moses and Breeland - they are young but got plenty of time since Hall, Williams and Rak went down.
if we going to struggle, let it be rebuilding struggle - get an OL in the offseason via draft AND FA.
we gonna more Cap Space......

No, in 2013 we should have had a first round pick. Because in 2012, we should have drafted Ryan Tannehill (like Shanny wanted), and Janoris Jenkins. Then in 2013, they should have taken Lane Johnson, DJ Fluker, Justin Pugh, or Kyle Long. And then in 2014, they should have taken Zack Martin, Clinton-Dix, or Jake Matthews. But now, they wanted to win right away and gave it away for Griffin.

That was my reason to not pull Griffin. Struggling now doesn't matter. Even struggling next year doesn't matter. What is the long term plan to get back in to the playoffs? McCoy doesn't help with that, as winning one more game (or maybe two) doesn't help this team. The locker room argument is bullshit. The team quit in the Colts game. The Oline didn't give a shit. The receivers quit on routes. The secondary looked like 6 guys they plucked from the parking lot an hour before kickoff. So pulling Griffin did nothing to help Gruden retain the locker room.

Bruce Allen needs to go. He'd be a great president. Handshaking, donations, alumni stuff, charity events. But get him away from football decisions. Hire an actual GM (wonder if we could lure Brown back). Then have the new GM and Gruden go to Allen and explain a long term plan for success. How they're going to the build through the draft. How they'll concentrate on signing younger free agents they plan on being here for the next three years. Then have all three go to Snyder and explain that this is what needs to happen and that there are no quick fixes.

Then start it back up. Play the young guys for the rest of the season Cousins or Griffin, don't care. Robinson and Grant get more reps at receiver. Rotate the young offensive linemen in. Get the young RBs some work. Same for the young defensive linemen. Treat this like evaluation. While we're at it, you may as well trade DJax in the offseason. He's not going to like a rebuilding year. 3rd round pick for him.

Then the draft. It's littered with quality offensive linemen. Redskins will finish with a top 5 pick. Say they have the 4th pick. Take Peat or trade back in to the low to mid first round and get Collins or Scherff. Take that extra pick (probably a second rounder), combine it with that third for DJax and get back in to the back end of the first round. Take Cann or Matias to play guard, Dismukes at center, or possibly a guy like Jordan Phillips to play nose tackle. With that second rounder, take the best offensive lineman that you have drafted already, center being the priority.

Now in free agency, there are going to be all kinds of awesome skill position playuers. Suh, Houston, Thomas, Crabtree, etc. Ignore all of them. Sign Mike Iupati to a nice deal. He’s young and good. Won’t break the banks. That gives you an offensive line of:
LT – Williams
LG – Iupati
C – Dismukes
RG – Open competition
RT – Peat/Collins/Scherff

Also some possibilities for NT in a 3-4 would be Dan Williams, Ahtyba Rubin, or Damon Harrison. Younger guys who play NT in a 3-4 right now and can for the next three or four years. I’m leary of signing safeties to big contracts, and if the Redskins were to trade back, that second round pick might be better spent on a safety.

Regardless, 2015 season will have an offensive line with talent and ability. That way, if Gruden wants to, he can draft his QB in 2016 and that QB can come right in to a nice nest and be able to perform.

 

[x0xHumblex0x]

keep losing for that high draft pick
:fistpump:

Rams beat us with three 1st rounders and 2nd
:lol:


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[Slateman]

Like I said, it doesn't matter who is the QB, the playcalling and blocking is too awful do anything.

What's sad is this would have been the perfect opportunity to teach Griffin to do a three step drop.

 

[ralaw]

I just don't get why they are giving up on Griffin in Gruden's first season. It just makes no sense to me. They gave up a lot to get him too.

 

[the Brain]

They gave up a lot to get him too.

Speaking of which...............Rams send all the "RGIII draft picks" out for coin toss

 

[x0xHumblex0x]

:whoa:
http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Two-former-NFL-stars-take-shots-at-RG3-33603329

 

[Slateman]

That's what keeping the locker room looks like

 

[Slateman]

Good job, Jay. Glad to see you're on top of things.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

This team is reality-TV bad, can we just wave the white flag to end the season now?

ASHBURN, Va. -- Washington Redskins cornerback Bashaud Breeland and receiver Andre Roberts exchanged punches during the individual portion of practice, adding yet another layer of drama to the team's season.

Breeland and Roberts were involved in a play in which the rookie corner broke up a pass to Roberts. It appeared as they fell to the ground that Roberts accidentally kneed Breeland in the groin. As Breeland stood up, he grabbed his groin, walked a few steps and bent over; Roberts' back was turned at the time.

A minute or so later, close to the line of scrimmage, Roberts and Breeland exchanged words. Roberts slammed his helmet to the ground and threw a punch immediately before Breeland, who hitched up his pants right before the punch, threw one of his own. Breeland then tried to tackle Roberts.

Neither player was wearing his helmet.

The scuffle was broken up by a handful of players, including safety Ryan Clark, cornerback E.J. Biggers and receiver Ryan Grant. Clark walked Roberts away, but then Roberts shoved him as well. Roberts and Breeland exchanged more words from about 10 yards apart. At that point, the practice became closed to the media; it is open for only 15 to 20 minutes, and the incident occurred near the end of the session.

Both Roberts and Breeland declined comment. Roberts, however, addressed the incident in a tweet later Wednesday.


Coach Jay Gruden said the matter was addressed.

"You don't want fights at practice, but guys are a little frustrated and things happen when football players are competing," he said. "I like the competitive nature of guys competing at practice, one-on-ones. We had some good, competitive team drills today, but that was a rarity."

Meanwhile, quarterback Colt McCoy, who suffered a neck injury in Sunday's loss to St. Louis, was throwing passes during individual work. He also addressed the scuffle.

"That's a sign of guys are frustrated that we've lost, guys that are competing, that want to get better," McCoy said. "We still have a lot to play for. Like I said, we've got three games left in our division, and if you finish strong, that's a good way to finish strong."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...dre-roberts-washington-redskins-trade-punches

 

[x0xHumblex0x]

This team is reality-TV bad, can we just wave the white flag to end the season now?

season was over since week 2

 

[Slateman]

season was over since week 2

Not quite. Season was over after the Vikings game.

But this has become a shit show.

I think the crux of the matter, for me at least, is that Gruden has effectively discarded not one but both of the QBs that Shanny drafted. QBs that were well thought of by several NFL teams and he simply refuses to do anything with them.

 

[MmmmBeeeeer]

QBs that were well thought of by several NFL teams and he simply refuses to do anything with them.

I don't think they are that well thought of anymore now that they've been in the league.

 

[Argath]

Not quite. Season was over after the Vikings game.

But this has become a shit show.

I think the crux of the matter, for me at least, is that Gruden has effectively discarded not one but both of the QBs that Shanny drafted. QBs that were well thought of by several NFL teams and he simply refuses to do anything with them.

Let's be honest though, Kirk was never that good. I wouldn't put the whole RG3 dibacle on Gruden either. I'm gonna give the guy more than one year before I make any decision on my opinion of him as a coach.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Let's be honest though, Kirk was never that good. I wouldn't put the whole RG3 dibacle on Gruden either. I'm gonna give the guy more than one year before I make any decision on my opinion of him as a coach.

Many Redskins fans, myself to an extent, bought into the hype train after acquiring DJax that thought they would be a darkhorse contender. I think we all forget that Year One is a feeling out process for the new coaching staff, even though they retained 3-4 coaches. The defense stayed the same, but we have a completely new offense in town. You've got to give him time to get the team he wants put together.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

No words are needed for this