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Jarvis Jenkins has been diagnosed with a torn ACL.
It's a tough pill to swallow for the Redskins. Jenkins was one of the stars of training camp, showing raw yet explosive skills while playing the two-gap end spot in the 3-4. The No. 41 overall pick is now done for the season, leaving Adam Carriker as the likely starter opposite Stephen Bowen at defensive end.

This loss is huge. Jenkins was fighting for the starting spot, but he was also important because he could rotate through all of the line positions. At least we brought back Kedric Golston late in the off-season so we aren't completely screwed on the defensive line but we lost a good player.
 
I know its like picking between getting shot and being lit on fire, but who do you think is going to win the QB battle?

ASHBURN, Va. (AP)—It’s a primary D.C. race that’s too close to call.

With just over two weeks to go before the start of the season, there’s not much separating John Beck(notes) and Rex Grossman(notes) as they vie to be the starting quarterback of the Washington Redskins.

And, at least so far, it’s not a choice between the lesser of two evils. Both quarterbacks have overcome legitimate doubts about their suitability for the job to prove themselves worthy of serious consideration.

Despite the obvious pressure that comes with such a competition—and despite an awkward rotation by coach Mike Shanahan that had them alternating every two series—they combined to complete 14 of 25 passes for 220 yards with two touchdowns and one interception against the always formidable Baltimore Ravens defense in a 34-31 loss Thursday night.


The running tally after three games: Beck has completed 74 percent of his passes with one touchdown, one interception and a 99.0 rating. Grossman has completed 64 percent with two touchdowns, one interception and a 92.3 rating.

Those are just the numbers. Both are showing a rhythm and comfort level in the offense that just wasn’t there a year ago when Donovan McNabb(notes) was behind center.

While it’s true Shanahan might have already made up his mind, it’s hard to fault him for saying he’s going to wait as long as possible to announce the decision as the Redskins look to the opener against the New York Giants on Sept. 11. After all, it’s a very tight race.

“I believe in both these guys, they can play,” Shanahan said. “So whichever direction we go, not only do we have a first-team quarterback, we have a second-team quarterback.”

The third preseason game is the dress rehearsal for the regular season, and both quarterbacks were trying to prove a lot in a precious few snaps. Questions were raised about Beck’s desire or ability to throw downfield after he settled for short completions the previous week against Indianapolis. He answered them on his first pass against the Ravens—a nice throw to Anthony Armstrong(notes) deep down the right sideline for 33 yards.

Grossman started Thursday and had his first two drives end in punts. That’s not a big deal in a normal game, but in a QB competition like this one it must have seemed like a lifetime before he re-entered in the second quarter. His big moment came when he hit Santana Moss(notes) deep for a 24-yard touchdown toss just before halftime.

The Beck-Grossman sweepstakes is so vital to the team’s outlook that it’s easy to overlook the other dramas taking place on the field. Second-year receiver Terrence Austin(notes) is fighting for a roster spot, so the quarterback duel was far from his mind when he caught a screen pass from Beck and ran for a 13-yard score in the third quarter.

“To be honest with you, I didn’t really pay attention to that. I don’t even know who threw me my touchdown pass,” Austin said. “I was just in the game.”

One other job that had been up for grabs is surely all but decided. Tim Hightower(notes) continued his strong preseason with a 37-yard touchdown run. He’s averaging 6.8 yards per carry in a one-sided battle with Ryan Torain(notes), who has yet to play because of a broken hand.

“I felt like I belonged since my first day here,” said Hightower, acquired in a trade with Arizona on July 31. “This team has a good offensive line, and we’ve made a commitment to running the ball. In some ways I feel like it was meant to be.”

One sour note from the game: Second-round draft pick Jarvis Jenkins(notes) tore the ACL in his right knee in the first quarter and is done for the season. The defensive end from Clemson had a strong training camp and was slated to be major part of the defensive line rotation—and possibly challenge Adam Carriker(notes) for a starting job.

“Unfortunately it is an ACL tear,” Jenkins announced on Twitter. “I’m gonna work harder than I’ve ever worked to get back.”

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Beck sucks, he always has. Grossman has won in the past with a good supporting cast and the Skins seem to have that this year, no question he should be the starter.
 
What are the chances Hankerson takes a starting spot from Gaffney?

None......his hands have been beyond :turrible: so far this preseason. Sure it might be jitters but Carlos Rogers could catch a better ball than Hankerson so far this preseason.

Further down in the season? Perhaps, but Gaffney seems to have hit his stride in the past couple seasons, and could do well in a ball control offense opposite Santana Moss.
 
Just wanted to post some thoughts from the game yesterday. It was a good game- the Giants were most certainly banged up and missing two of their best pass-rushers, and that is the strength of their defense. But, our defense was on their game, stopping the run and forcing Manning to pass, which is not a recipe for a Giants win.

The Good

1.) Rex Grossman was good. He threw for over 300 yards with two touchdowns and a 110.5 QB rating. He did a great job spreading the ball around and didn't throw a pick. He did fumble in a crucial time though, and struggled with his deep balls. I'm not sipping the kool-aid just yet, as some of the impulsive Skins fans are screaming Super Bowl and playoffs, but I'm just happy to get a good game out of him.

2.) Fred Davis came out of nowhere to nap five catches for 105 yards, and came up big with those receptions. He's had the physical tools to be successful, but now the Redskins look committed to getting Davis involved in the passing game and he could be in for a big year.

3.) Anthony Armstrong scored a touchdown, but did a good job stretching the field and opening things up underneath. It doesn't look like he is a one year wonder.

4.) New rookies and players on defense. Ryan Kerrigan applied pressure all day and intercepted Manning for a touchdown, and fellow rookie Chris Neild notched two sacks as the backup nose tackle. Barry Cofield made some plays and new end Stephen Bowen added a sack as well. OJ Otogwe was solid as well, and the Giants ignored him for Reed Doughty.

The Bad

1.) Offensive line was bad. Even down Tuck and Umenyiora, the Giants sacked Grossman four times, forced a fumble and held Tim Hightower to under 3 YPC. Pierre-Paul had a great game against Trent Williams, and I hope that was just the line working out the kinks. If not, it could be a long year for Grossman.

2.) LaRon Landry is missed. Reed Doughty was picked on all day in coverage. Even though Landry isn't the best in coverage, he is still better than Doughty and the Redskins need him to return quickly, or else they have a glaring hole in their defense.

3.) Graham Gano missed his only field goal, but nailed four extra points. That does worry me, as Gano was shaky at times last season but did perform well in the pre-season.

All in all, I was happy with the game. There are definitely some things we need to work on, but it was a positive step in the right direction for this team. I am impressed with the direction Shanahan is taking this team, even though I am not sold on Grossman being the quarterback.
 
2.) LaRon Landry is missed. Reed Doughty was picked on all day in coverage. Even though Landry isn't the best in coverage, he is still better than Doughty and the Redskins need him to return quickly, or else they have a glaring hole in their defense.

doughty looked lost. whats wrong with landry anyway. i saw him in an interview during of the preseason games......he is a monster. swole.....all he did in the long offseason was lift weights.
 
doughty looked lost. whats wrong with landry anyway. i saw him in an interview during of the preseason games......he is a monster. swole.....all he did in the long offseason was lift weights.

Landry is recovering from a hamstring injury, but even when he comes back, I don't know if he will be limited or not. He hasn't participated in a full practice in quite some time, since the week training camp started.

Anyway, hope some of you guys are around watching the game today. Defense looks well, Hightower is running well but Grossman has thrown two picks and has been under pressure all day. Shanahan needs to start utilizing the speed at receiver to get some screens going to ease that pressure off.
 
my FOX has the fucking Sea vs Steelers game on. What the Fuck. Steelers are suppose to be on CBS, two NFC teams playing and they arent on in the market. FUck Fox
 
I know there hasn't been much discussion on the season, but the whispers here are getting louder about Shanahan potentially being out at the end of the season. I just wanted to see what you guys thought about that, as I know manchild and a few other Skins fans are lurking around here.

Needless to say, I'll be frustrated if that happened, so much that I would consider switching teams. We've already matched the win total that many thought we would have, and we discovered that we have no quarterback and we still need depth on the offensive line. The defense, overall, has performed well and our rookies are playing good, especially Kerrigan. Also, it seems like we finally have found a good kicker.

There are plenty of things I disagree with Shanahan about, but the team is turning a corner and it takes time to build a roster, especially the one that he was given.
 
Shanahan has put together a shit team there is really no star on the team. Orakapo is the lone bright spot on the team but he's a LB. Fire Shanahan and get someone in that can build up a whole team.
 
Shanahan has put together a shit team there is really no star on the team. Orakapo is the lone bright spot on the team but he's a LB. Fire Shanahan and get someone in that can build up a whole team.

I would beg to differ. A lot of work was done overhauling the defense to perform in a 3-4. Both Cofield and Bowen were huge additions. Same with drafting Kerrigan, and the linebacker group that the Redskins have is very good. So is the secondary, but it has been rare for both Otogwe and Landry to be on the field at the same time but they are still doing well.

The problems are on offense. The offensive line was playing well before injuries hit, but the team has no depth and that was exposed. We all know that the there isn't a starting caliber quarterback on the team. The options in the passing game have been exposed as mediocre with Santana Moss out with injury and Anthony Armstrong regressed so far this year.

Some of that can be put on the focus on defense. The rest can be put on both Shanahans. I hate to say it, but Kyle needs to be out as the offensive coordinator. I know his father probably doesn't want to fire him, but reassign him elsewhere. He is not getting his job done. I'm happy giving Mike Shanahan another season, but we can't continue giving coaches a short leash, especially when he only kept a fifth of the roster from the previous year. If you commit to rebuilding, you need to follow through with it.
 
we are the laughing stock of the league. Shanny said he is evaluating talent now, which means he's dialed it in. Then why not play Helu
 
we are the laughing stock of the league. Shanny said he is evaluating talent now, which means he's dialed it in. Then why not play Helu

I would........we already know what we have in Torain, give Helu a chance to do his thing. We gave him plenty of carries in the pre-season, he's already had a few touches here and there, so there isn't any reason not to.
 
I think benching John Beck was a very stupid knee jerk reaction. Beck is a very inexperience QB so obviously it'll take him some time. He is more of a development/project type starting QB than a guy who's going to step right in and lead your offense to big yards. He has a stronger arm than Grossman, is way more mobile and has more upside and potential than Grossman. Not to mention he's the starting QB of an offense that was pretty mediocre to begin with without the losses of Santana Moss, Chris Cooley, Tim Hightower, Jamaal Brown, Trent Williams, and Kory Lichtenstieger (?). Am I missing anyone?

Bottom line: Rex Grossman blows.
 
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