Our own VSN's top 50 greatest NFL players of all time

[Senser81]

This has to be opinion based on pure hype, because I've seen them both play, a lot. And this statement is completely and totally bullshit. If Mathews sheds blockers better it's by such a small margin that it can't possibly be measured or determined. Period.

"I've cut slices so thin you can't even see them!"​

 

[Senser81]

Best argument so far = Mathews has better combo of speed and technique, which are either proved fasle (speed) or have yet to be proven (technique).

Best argument so far = # of sacks in 2010, # of DPOTY awards in 2010, number of Super Bowls in 2010, # of pro bowls in 2010, # of 1st team All-Pro selections in 2010.

Matthews = 13.5, 1, 1, 1, 1

Woodley = 10, 0, 0, 0, 0

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Best argument so far = # of sacks in 2010, # of DPOTY awards in 2010, number of Super Bowls in 2010, # of pro bowls in 2010, # of 1st team All-Pro selections in 2010.

Matthews = 13.5, 1, 1, 1, 1

Woodley = 10, 0, 0, 0, 0

Again, Mathews has never won the AP DPOTY award, which is the only DPOTY award that matters. The SN award will never be remembered, nor will it be recognized on his career resume.

# of super bowls attended in career Woodley 2 Mathews 1
# of super bowls won Woodley 1 Mathews 1
# of seasons with double digit sacks Woodley 3 Mathews 2
# of 13.5 sacks seasons Woodley 1 Mathews 1
# of horseshit stats you just posted 5
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I dunno if you can word it the way you did.

Having the same "track" speed is one thing, but having the reactive speed of playing linebacker is entirely different.

I would not consider "track speed" as an accurate measurement of how quick a player reacts and plays on a football field.

I think I can word it the way, and I just did. I mean I didn't use improper grammar did I? Did you comprehend my engrish?

I've shown factual proof that Woodley has Mathews speed with measurable data. Translating that to the football field is relative, if they have the same speed running on a track, they will very similar speeds running on the football field. In this case, they both produce numbers, so it's not a debate of how or if that speed translates to the football field. It's a debate of does Woodley have Mathews speed, and he does. Fact.

Very similar speeds given all variables; strait line speed, reaction speed, quickness, speed when engaged with a blocker, etc etc. They should have similar speed. Taking a track speed shows that Woodley has at least the same overall straitline speed as Mathews. Which IMO puts Woodley in the level of speedy linebacker as Mathews.


If you can prove to me that Mathews has a faster reactive speed than Woodley, so be my guest. Though I doubt you'll find it, considering all I've seen of the two players.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

"I've cut slices so thin you can't even see them!"​

I didn't thank this because I agree with you, but it made me lol. :golfclap:

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

Pretty shocking how someone could honestly believe somebody like Jamal Charles is a better player than Steven Jackson.

Jackson will go down as one of the most underrated players in league history. He spent his prime years on the worst team in the league running behind a patchwork line. He'd be discussed as an all time great had he played for a perennial playoff team.

he was my first pick at RB in fantasy football last year and he blew. dudes a bum

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

he was my first pick at RB in fantasy football last year and he blew. dudes a bum

Who? Charles or Jackson?

Charles = 223 avg. fantasy pts
Jackson = 182 avg. fantasy pts

I picked up Charles in the 2nd round in three of my four leagues. I'll take a top 3 in RB production in the second round all day every day.

 

[ram29jackson]

50 greatest players ? who gives a damn ? any of you arm chair morons can come up with a favorites/ best list agreeing on the same boring 10 players over and over again...

make it interesting. Make it hard. A top 50 kickers list would be more of a challenge but you guys are too pussy and unknowledgeable to even try that one.....

its wrong to bury such art in a pointless thread ^

 

[JBregz]

its wrong to bury such art in a pointless thread ^

Cause nobody gives a shit.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

its wrong to bury such art in a pointless thread ^

Cause nobody gives a shit.

Coming from you...
:jhenbeatkwon:

 

[JBregz]

Coming from you...
:jhenbeatkwon:

Oh and who are you again? :golfclap:

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Oh and who are you again? :golfclap:

I'm the dude that has more than three bars of rep. :smug:

 

[JBregz]

I'm the dude that has more than three bars of rep. :smug:

That means a lot in life :facepalm:

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

That means a lot in life :facepalm:

In the context of this internet forum that we happen to both be apart of, it does.:champ:

 

[JBregz]

In the context of this internet forum that we happen to both be apart of, it does.:champ:

Nope, It just means you post more.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Nope, It just means you post more.

I don't think you understand how it works, your groan/thanks rating is not your post count. I've only posted here 1,937 times if you include this educational post. You, 1,324 times. So you post here 1.40 times per day, I post 2.04 times per day. Not a huge difference.

The frequency of our posts doesn't change the fact that you have 3 bars of rep. Making shitty poster. Post better crap, more entertaining maybe or something that people can find useful. You're at least not the most groaned user like our friend r29j, at any rate.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Lol @ turning this into a rep thing. Both you guys are faggots. :smug:

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Lol @ turning this into a rep thing. Both you guys are faggots. :smug:

:cgjuggalo:

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

:cgjuggalo:

Juggalo's are definitely faggots.

 

[ram29jackson]

Cause nobody gives a shit.

and your definitely one of the nobodies here

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Good point. Or like W2B getting VSN POTY or Str8Annoying getting VSN ROTY.

Exactly. LOL

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