[PS3] PS3 hacked yet again, with PSN access

[SethMode]

Put it another way:

Sony now has to spend more creative energy protecting against pirates in the PS4. That will likely, like shoe-horned multiplayer, come at the cost of something else. Piracy runs deep and affects many aspects of game design, development, and production, so I just don't get the "Oh well" approach that some gamers have.

 

[PP]

i will be copying some games and installing this fw.

 

[Maynard]

Which leads me to your latter point. Moral relativism is for douchebags, assholes, and in this case, thieves. Don't sling me this nonsense about how piracy isn't morally wrong. A person either spent their own money, or was given money, to create a product, and people that pirate it are then stealing that product. It's called piracy for a reason. Is it somehow different because you're stealing something from the internet instead of walking into a store and taking something from the shelf? Piracy is stealing. Stealing is morally wrong, regardless of what legal system you're working in.

your opinion is not fact seth. your moral values do not represent those of the rest of the world. your entitled to your opinion, and your beliefs are your beliefs.

i can point to things like downloading music...or recording a burned cd or coping a movie to a video tape. thats all copyright infringement and identical to pirating

It affects every gamer because it damages the creativity of the designer/developer because they know how easy it is to do, and how many people are willing to do it. How long it has been happening is neither here nor there. Gaming is a young industry that is already feeling the pressure of piracy which is why you see all the sequels that you yourself bitch about. Iteration is cheaper than creating a new IP, and in a world where you have to assume people will pirate, why not iterate? You'll still make money, despite people stealing from you (and you'll certainly make more money than you would off of a new IP).

its easy to pirate a game on the consoles? ive checked, its rather complicated and a pain in the ass. gaming has been around about 35 years. idk how thats young.

developers dont make new IP's because they cost to much to produce. at the same time they run the risk of it being a failure. Thats why they make sequels. they can design an engine and re use it 5 or 6 times by making modifications to it...ala COD and madden. its naive to think devs make sequels because they fear pirates. EA has been using the repeat model for 20 years and as the cost of development has gone up, other companies have followed suit. its about being profitable in an increasing expanding market

 

[Villain]

This isn't about the "blow" to Sony though. I'm not sure where the disconnect is here. Piracy is bad and I don't see why a new system would mean less piracy, and if you get that, I don't see why the PS4 is relevant. The piracy on the PS3 is every bit as relevant as the sales on the PS3 to Sony when it comes to the PS4.

The PS3 was out for 6 years before hackers have become successful in not only breaking into the system but being able to break in and still be able to use the PSN. When the new PS4 comes out, the hackers could very well take another 6 years to make the PS4 pirate-friendly. 6 years of limited-to-no game piracy will not hurt the console market.

Yes, this sucks for Sony and game developers that this hack has gone public, but it would've been much worse had this happened without a new system already on the horizon.

 

[SethMode]

your opinion is not fact seth. your moral values do not represent those of the rest of the world. your entitled to your opinion, and your beliefs are your beliefs.

i can point to things like downloading music...or recording a burned cd or coping a movie to a video tape. thats all copyright infringement and identical to pirating




its easy to pirate a game on the consoles? ive checked, its rather complicated and a pain in the ass. gaming has been around about 35 years. idk how thats young.

developers dont make new IP's because they cost to much to produce. at the same time they run the risk of it being a failure. Thats why they make sequels. they can design an engine and re use it 5 or 6 times by making modifications to it...ala COD and madden. its naive to think devs make sequels because they fear pirates. EA has been using the repeat model for 20 years and as the cost of development has gone up, other companies have followed suit. its about being profitable in an increasing expanding market

It is morally wrong to steal, right? We can agree on that? Your analogy to stealing music just drives the point home. Stealing music is also wrong. Pirating is called pirating because it is STEALING FROM SOMEONE. I didn't realize that this would be a point of contention here.

As for the rest, I think that fear of pirates generates a LOT of fear in new creation. We can agree to disagree on this, but just look at the numbers on new/iterative movies as piracy increases. Of course it makes more sense to them in an expanding market to take the safe way out. It also makes more sense to take the safe way out because pirating exists.

To Villain: I think there is a big difference between now and the launch of the PS3. And I'm not sure what we're arguing about here, to be honest. I think this is bad for Sony regardless, and terrible for the industry as well. Hackers could take another 6 years to make the PS4 pirate-friendly, but that is beside my point of the fact that now Sony has to worry about pirates in general when designing everything.

I never spoke to this hack in particular, I just hate hackers and pirates in general because they ruin it for everyone that isn't just looking for a free ride.

 

[1ke]

Wow.... How does this shit keep happening to the PS3 owners.

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[Villain]

To Villain: I think there is a big difference between now and the launch of the PS3. And I'm not sure what we're arguing about here, to be honest.

Let me remind you (paraphrasing).

You think: "this hack and ensuing piracy of games will kill console gaming much in the same way that PC gaming was killed."

I think: "since this hack happened with the PS4 already on the way, it will not kill console gaming"

 

[Twigg4075]

Put it another way:

Sony now has to spend more creative energy protecting against pirates in the PS4. That will likely, like shoe-horned multiplayer, come at the cost of something else. Piracy runs deep and affects many aspects of game design, development, and production, so I just don't get the "Oh well" approach that some gamers have.

I compare piracy to shoplifting.Besides the obvios theft comparison. When someone steals from Walmart, Walmart then has to hire lossprevention personnel to try to curb the problem. But even they don't catch everything. So where do those additional funds come from to cover the security andalso the lossof property? The consumer of course. Instead of paying $10 for that three-pack of tighty whiteys, they are now $12. That bottle of delicious Mt Dew Code Red that was .99 cents last week? $1.49 now.

 

[Villain]

Wow.... How does this shit keep happening to the PS3 owners.

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Nothing is happening to PS3 owners except that some are getting the ability to play free games.

 

[SethMode]

Let me remind you (paraphrasing).

You think: "this hack and ensuing piracy of games will kill console gaming much in the same way that PC gaming was killed."

I think: "since this hack happened with the PS4 already on the way, it will not kill console gaming"

PC gaming isn't dead, but piracy still exists.

I never claimed that this would kill console gaming. I really don't even know what we're arguing about here. I don't think this is a good thing for console gaming, do you?

EDIT -- Do you think that Sony execs are just chilling saying "PS4 is aight" or do you think that they're probably now scared shitless that their next console might be susceptible to this? It's not like Sony as a corporation is in the 90's or early 2000's where they can just light cigars with dollar bills.

 

[dave]

Last time these assholes hacked the PS3 I got Wipeout for free as Sony's apology. Love that game.

I want a week's vacation in Thailand this time.

 

[Twigg4075]

i can point to things like downloading music...or recording a burned cd or coping a movie to a video tape. thats all copyright infringement and identical to pirating

Like Seth said, downloading music that you didn't pay for is exactly the same. It's theft. As for copying a cd, etc, that you OWN? Not the same thing and you know that. Unless you're distributing those copies than I think that's pretty self explanatory.

Wow.... How does this shit keep happening to the PS3 owners.

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It happens to 360 too. Hacks all over Xbox Live. A guy from Everyda Gamers who I follow on Twitter posted a pic of a random that enteed his Borderlands 2 game the other day. The clown had a level 1000 Mechromancer character...on Xbox. Same shit, different console.

Then of course there are all of the cases with people hacking Live accounts, the FIFA Ultimate Team hacks, etc.

 

[SethMode]

I compare piracy to shoplifting.Besides the obvios theft comparison. When someone steals from Walmart, Walmart then has to hire lossprevention personnel to try to curb the problem. But even they don't catch everything. So where do those additional funds come from to cover the security andalso the lossof property? The consumer of course. Instead of paying $10 for that three-pack of tighty whiteys, they are now $12. That bottle of delicious Mt Dew Code Red that was .99 cents last week? $1.49 now.

Great post Twiggles. What you don't understand though is that pirating is different because you do it on the internet. Like bullying or sexting.

 

[Villain]

Ugh... nevermind.

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To anyone who doesn't actually understand waht this all means:

It is now possible to break into your PS3, play pirated games, and still have access to PSN (this is the part that is newest). In order to do this, you need to be on an older firmware update. If you play PS3, you know that these happen pretty much automatically. That means tthat you'd have to undo it all and it would not be easy. This whole hack is not something you could do in like 5 minutes.

A very small group of people are going to be the ones who do this successfully, and then they are going to have to go through the trouble of finding bootlegged games (which there are not a lot of, because the PS3 hacking community is relatively small) in order to make it all worth it. Its like not going on Google and typing in "GTAiV TORRENT PS3 GAME."

The sky is not falling.

 

[SethMode]

Ugh... nevermind.

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To anyone who doesn't actually understand waht this all means:

It is now possible to break into your PS3, play pirated games, and still have access to PSN (this is the part that is newest). In order to do this, you need to be on an older firmware update. If you play PS3, you know that these happen pretty much automatically. That means tthat you'd have to undo it all and it would not be easy. This whole hack is not something you could do in like 5 minutes.

A very small group of people are going to be the ones who do this successfully, and then they are going to have to go through the trouble of finding bootlegged games (which there are not a lot of, because the PS3 hacking community is relatively small) in order to make it all worth it. Its like not going on Google and typing in "GTAiV TORRENT PS3 GAME."

The sky is not falling.

I'm confused as to what you think I'm missing here. Do you think something like this is anything other than a negative, and/or anything other than an example of why hackers suck?

You wouldn't agree that stuff like this isn't good for PS4?

 

[Twigg4075]

Great post Twiggles. What you don't understand though is that pirating is different because you do it on the internet. Like bullying or sexting.

Oh, right. My mistake. If it's on the interwebs it's technically not real so...:smug:

 

[Villain]

I'm confused as to what you think I'm missing here. Do you think something like this is anything other than a negative, and/or anything other than an example of why hackers suck?

You wouldn't agree that stuff like this isn't good for PS4?

"Nevermind" means I'm done addressing you. That is why I didn't quote you. I dropped the point. I even put a line between the two thoughts to make it even more obvious taht I wasn't addressing you. In fact, I very clearly said "to anyone who doens't understand what this all means"

That might've been you, I don't know. I don't care. You are trying to have some morality debate that I don't give two shits about. I feel like I'm trying to talk about a baseball game and you won't shut up about PEDs and how bad they are for sports.

 

[nwfisch]

"Nevermind" means I'm done addressing you. That is why I didn't quote you. I dropped the point. I even put a line between the two thoughts to make it even more obvious taht I wasn't addressing you. In fact, I very clearly said "to anyone who doens't understand what this all means"

That might've been you, I don't know. I don't care. You are trying to have some morality debate that I don't give two shits about. I feel like I'm trying to talk about a baseball game and you won't shut up about PEDs and how bad they are for sports.

You can only be mad at me buddy

 

[SethMode]

"Nevermind" means I'm done addressing you. That is why I didn't quote you. I dropped the point. I even put a line between the two thoughts to make it even more obvious taht I wasn't addressing you. In fact, I very clearly said "to anyone who doens't understand what this all means"

That might've been you, I don't know. I don't care. You are trying to have some morality debate that I don't give two shits about. I feel like I'm trying to talk about a baseball game and you won't shut up about PEDs and how bad they are for sports.

I apologize for not knowing the nevermind was meant for me.

I am honestly not trying to have it out with you. My initial point was the hackers are ruining gaming. You said this isn't a big deal. I think that it is a bigger deal than you think, maybe not to PSN, but to Sony and gaming as a whole.

I don't think I've been trying to have a morality debate with you at all.

 

[Twigg4075]

I apologize for not knowing the nevermind was meant for me.

I am honestly not trying to have it out with you. My initial point was the hackers are ruining gaming. You said this isn't a big deal. I think that it is a bigger deal than you think, maybe not to PSN, but to Sony and gaming as a whole.

I don't think I've been trying to have a morality debate with you at all.

I didn't think so either. I'm as confused as you are I think.