Randy Moss

[Senser81]

Hypothetical question to stir more discussion:

If (a big if) Moss ended up breaking Rice's touchdown and yardage record by having a disgusting span these next five-six years, would you place him ahead of Jerry Rice? Or does character/lack of Superbowls prevent him from ever being "the best"? What if he and Tom Brady end up being the focal point of another 2-3 Superbowls?

Didn't know Linda Cohn was posting here.

I think even if Moss breaks Rice's career records, you'd still need to take a closer look before claiming Moss as being superior. Not only did Rice win Super Bowls, he was incredible in the postseason. To date, I don't really remember any of Moss' postseason games. I remember the Vikes losing to Atlanta, and I remember the Pats losing to the Giants, but I don't remember what Moss did in either of those games.

 

[Saluki]

Leading the league is leading the league. I don't understand how Hutson wouldn't have led the league in receiving had their been 32 teams instead of 12. Are you saying that there was a WR superior to Hutson, but he just didn't play in the league because there were only 12 teams?

You could argue that Moss gets to face watered-down defenses since there are 32 teams in the league. Hutson had to face the top 24 CBs in the world, Moss got to face CBs #25-64 as well.

If your really gunna use the "look at the time he played in argument" which i think is a shit argument to begin with. Hudson played WR for one of the 1st ever Air it out offenses. People just didnt know how to defend it because it was something they hadn't seen before. So the top 24 CB's weren't the best in coverage they were geared waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more towards stopping the run, pro teams were still adjusting to the passing game and just beginning to really develop pass defenses.


Anyway, people keep talking about Moss two years in Oakland, he still had over 1000 yards and 8 TDs in his 1st season there, which are still top in the league numbers, and his 2nd season he hardly played because of a hammy injury, so i don't think those seasons hurt him too bad. Moss won't pass Jerry only because even if Moss breaks some of Jerrys records, Rice has ALL of the major records to go with his 3 rings. Moss would have to break at least 17 of Rices 38 records and win 3 rings to be considered #1. I think he's well on his way to being #2 and solidifying himself as a 1st or 2nd year HOFer.

 

[Senser81]

If your really gunna use the "look at the time he played in argument" which i think is a shit argument to begin with. Hudson played WR for one of the 1st ever Air it out offenses. People just didnt know how to defend it because it was something they hadn't seen before. So the top 24 CB's weren't the best in coverage they were geared waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more towards stopping the run, pro teams were still adjusting to the passing game and just beginning to really develop pass defenses.

I agree with you, but you are mixing the arguments. The argument was about the number of teams in the league, not the "time he played in".

 

[Saluki]

I agree with you, but you are mixing the arguments. The argument was about the number of teams in the league, not the "time he played in".

# of teams in the league is a product of the time he played in is it not?

 

[Senser81]

# of teams in the league is a product of the time he played in is it not?

No, its not. Time he played in = style of play. # of teams = # of teams. I fail to see the connection.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I think it has a lot to do with the QB's throwing him the ball as well... In Sota he had a QB with one of the biggest arms ever in the NFL in an offense that wanted to pass over and over due to the lack of backs they had.

??

Is anyone mistaking Jeff George , an old broken Cunningham , Brad Johnson , Culpepper as stellar QBs ? Theres a reason there was a rotating door at QB.
You do know who Robert Smith is right ? Leroy Hoard at the goalline was a pretty nasty fuck.

 

[dell71]

He can never surpass Rice, because of the Super Bowls, the records, and the overall commitment to the game. Can't call someone the best WR if he has admitted to not trying every play, just can't do it. Even without that, I still don't think he'd ever be able to surpass Rice. As brilliant as he's been at times, Moss is nowhere near as consistent as Jerry Rice was throughout his career.

When it's all said and done, I'd put him in my top 5 as far as all-time WRs, and physically he may be the most gifted ever, but with 0 rings and the whole taking plays off thing, he's got no shot at ever catching the GOAT.

This.