Rodgers or Brees?

[bucky]

The Saints were obliterated by the Packers in every category I just listed you asshat. Lets just say they aren't and call me a troll tho.

Go back and look at Dels thread where he compares the two D's. NO's D was better than GB's D. The only real SIGNIFICANT area GB was better was turnovers. NO's D was better in both yards allowed and points allowed. How's that (points allowed) for significant stat. Can't get much more significant than that "asshat".

NO's D played better than GB's D this year. Period, end of story. You're few cherry picked stats mean shit.

Now lets go talk about how MEANINGLESS the passing yard record is, yet talk about how important PASSING YARDS are for a defence? Makes sense.

Really, all we are talking about is yards allowed on defense? You mean points allowed on defense is meaningless? I did tell you to go back and look through Dels post where he talks about comparing the D's didn't I. Where was I just talking about total yards on defense. Starting to make sense to you now?

If we're gonna compare defences in the argument we have made, lets get stop assuming yards define rank because both number 1 seeds will say "get with the times old man".

And where did I say that YARDS define rank "start using your head little boy".

 

[killgod]

Go back and look at Dels thread where he compares the two D's. NO's D was better than GB's D. The only real SIGNIFICANT area GB was better was turnovers. NO's D was better in both yards allowed and points allowed. How's that (points allowed) for significant stat. Can't get much more significant than that "asshat".

NO's D played better than GB's D this year. Period, end of story. You're few cherry picked stats mean shit.



Really, all we are talking about is yards allowed on defense? You mean points allowed on defense is meaningless? I did tell you to go back and look through Dels post where he talks about comparing the D's didn't I. Where was I just talking about total yards on defense. Starting to make sense to you now?



And where did I say that YARDS define rank "start using your head little boy".

His name is fucking Dell.

Lets pretend that GB's defence didn't outgain NO's defence by 400 fucking yards. Not significant. Being 1st and last here is not relevant.

Packers/Falcons/Lions/Giants/Patriots pass defence. Yards, does it matter to them? No. Turnovers do.

but...lets go reference DELL's post where he uses YARDS and ONLY YARDS to justifiy the better defence, while you tell me "where did I say yards define rank"

No, you're technically not saying those words directly, you're just using someone else saying it instead.

HERP FUCKING DERP.

 

[bucky]

Lets pretend that GB's defence didn't outgain NO's defence by 400 fucking yards. Not significant. Being 1st and last here is not relevant.

I thought yards wasn't important. That's what you were trying to push in previous posts. Remember, total yards on defense? Not important? Again, Dell's post went well beyond yards. Isn't points more important?

Packers/Falcons/Lions/Giants/Patriots pass defence. Yards, does it matter to them? No. Turnovers do.

And here you are back to yards not being important again. Yet it was important in above. Funny? Wouldn't you say, maybe, POINTS are even MORE important than turnovers?

but...lets go reference DELL's post where he uses YARDS and ONLY YARDS to justifiy the better defence, while you tell me "where did I say yards define rank"

I remember reading him also mentioning POINTS and where GB and NO ranked. Did you go to the wrong Dell post?

Straight from Dells post:
"Green Bay's defense was ranked below New Orleans in points allowed (19th, NO 13th)"

Did you not read Dells post. I did refer you to it. Wouldn't points allowed be the most significant?

HERP FUCKING DERP

 

[mgoblue2290]

The extra attempts show that Brees is a bigger peice of the Saints than Rodgers is of the Packers. More valuable. He did more to get them 13 than Rodgers did to get GB 14.

Now lets go back to assuming Rodgers fictional 160 attempts will give him 6000 yards and 56 TD's.

Stafford attempted 6 more passes than Brees. He did more than either Brees or Rodgers to get the Lions 10 wins.

 

[Primetime]

Brady deserves it more than Brees does. Fact.

 

[Primetime]

It wasn't my estimating. It was somebody elses estimating. And I read in an article this morning by a professional either on jsonline or espn.com and they had Rodgers projected numbers to be something like 6067 yards. I don't know how they came up with it. Be interested to know how they did.

Brees 657 Attempts * Rodgers 9.25 Yard per Attempt = 6077.25 Yards.

I'm guessing you misremembered the number to be off by 10 yards.

 

[Len B]

blah blah blah

Less patting Brees on the back and more Brady bias.

 

[bucky]

Brees 657 Attempts * Rodgers 9.25 Yard per Attempt = 6077.25 Yards.

I'm guessing you misremembered the number to be off by 10 yards.

That's what I did wrong. I did yards per completion. The guy at jsonline was right.

 

[dell71]

His name is fucking Dell.

Lets pretend that GB's defence didn't outgain NO's defence by 400 fucking yards. Not significant. Being 1st and last here is not relevant.

Packers/Falcons/Lions/Giants/Patriots pass defence. Yards, does it matter to them? No. Turnovers do.

but...lets go reference DELL's post where he uses YARDS and ONLY YARDS to justifiy the better defence, while you tell me "where did I say yards define rank"

No, you're technically not saying those words directly, you're just using someone else saying it instead.

HERP FUCKING DERP.

Thanks for getting my name right, but I did mention points allowed and also third down conversions in which GB was terrible. This means if they didn't get one of those turnovers you were talking about, they couldn't get off the field. They weren't forcing a lot of punts (58, among the fewest in the league). So, for the most part if they didn't turn a team over that team ran more plays (keeping AR off the field - helping to account for fewer attempts) and put points on the board, putting pressure on Rodgers. And yes, it was squarely on Rodgers because their running game sucked (averaged 3.9 ypc, a full yard less than NO's 4.9).

Yes, I mentioned yards also. Here's the thng: if passing yards are meaningless then a lot of the logic for giving Brees' MVP is automatically faulty. Just saying.

I also mentioned turnovers of which Brees had 2 1/2 times more than Rodgers (15 including 1 lost fumble to 6 for Rodgers). 5 of which came against some pretty crappy competition in games they lost (TB & St. L). Yes, he threw one more TD pass - woop-de-doo, esp when considering he had an extra game and a lot more throws/game (41.1 to AR's 33.5) to do it.

Avg game (no projections here):

Brees: 342.3 yds, 2.8 td, 0.9 int
Rodgers: 309.5 yds, 3 td, 0.4 int

Go ahead & take those extra 30 or so "meaningless" yards that it takes almost 8 more attempts/game to get. I'll take the slight bump in td's and half the picks.