Rodgers or Brees?

[MrBill]

This is something that always bugged me. That win was a TEAM win. Statistically speaking(which is what the MVP primarily looks at) Brees had the better game that night.

Just the way it is. QB's always get more credit and blame than they deserve for wins and losses. Voters will remember who won the game.

 

[KNUBB]

Just the way it is. QB's always get more credit and blame than they deserve for wins and losses. Voters will remember who won the game.

That short memory will also favor Brees for the final 6 weeks of the year

 

[MrBill]

That short memory will also favor Brees for the final 6 weeks of the year

Did the Saints (Brees) beat the Packers (Rodgers) in the final 6 weeks of the regular season?

 

[KNUBB]

Did the Saints (Brees) beat the Packers (Rodgers) in the final 6 weeks of the regular season?

Nope but Brees certainly put up one of the strongest stretches of passing the game of football has ever seen. I mean the total yardage isn't the only record he broke. He had 7 straight 300 yard games to end the season. He has the most 300 yard games in a single season

 

[Primetime]

Simple conclusion. God is always better than Jesus.

 

[MrBill]

Nope but Brees certainly put up one of the strongest stretches of passing the game of football has ever seen. I mean the total yardage isn't the only record he broke. He had 7 straight 300 yard games to end the season. He has the most 300 yard games in a single season

I know where you are coming from, there are a couple of seasons where I felt Favre deserved the MVP but he lost out to a better story. Rodgers beat Brees and had better stats over the whole of the season. It will be a shocker if Brees beats Rodgers for MVP. Brees could still have the last laugh as the Saints are hot and the Packers have a weak defensive link in their armor.

 

[Villain]

Simple conclusion. God is always better than Jesus.

Leave Tim Tebow out of this.

 

[Len B]

No but don't you think toppling a 25+ year single season record is enough to warrant a season MVP?

Sorry, but Darren Sproles record setting season counteracts with Drew Brees record setting season, and after you carry the 3 and divide by six the MVP award goes to Aaron Rodgers.

Math doesn't lie, sorry.

 

[MvP]

No but don't you think toppling a 25+ year single season record is enough to warrant a season MVP?

I can't take the Passing Yards statistic serious anymore. It's RBI status at this point.

I'm coming off as anti-Brees in this thread so I should probably mention that this is not the case. I've been saying for weeks now that post-Rams game Brees has been playing out of his mind and is definitely giving Rodgers a run for MVP. Although it helps that I've watched every Packer game this year, I have to believe that Rodgers had the better season overall.

Let's look at Rodgers' turnovers for a second. 6 interceptions, 0 fumbles lost. His first interception came in Week 3 against the Bears up 27-17 on a great defensive read by Brian Urlacher. Bears turned it over on downs the following possession. The second and third INTs were very similar: tipped balls that should have been caught by the receivers, both with a secure lead in the 4th quarter. The fourth INT was probably his worst throw of the year, but they were up 28-19 in the 4th against the Bucs and maintained that lead throughout. The fifth was a bad read by Rodgers against NYG that shifted momentum but he made up for it with a 4 TD performance and a 58 second drive down the field to win. The final interception was simply Rodgers trying to pad his stats with a 31-0 lead, passing to Finley in the corner of the end zone when they probably should have just ran the ball. No harm done.

That's it. Rodgers did not make one mistake all season that cost GB the lead or the game. That is remarkable.

Oh and I just realized now, if you factor in rushing touchdowns, Rodgers does in fact have more touchdowns than Brees. (Rodgers with 48 and Brees with 47). None of Rodgers' three rushing scores were 1-yarders, either.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind them sharing the MVP considering that both had two of the greatest quarterback seasons in NFL History. But with the state of the NFL as it is, I can't help but imagine that Brees' season will be looked at in a few years the same way we view someone like Matthew Stafford's 2011 season right now. Rodgers' season will probably be more memorable long-term for going 15-1 and having the highest season QB rating of all-time (a stat that I believe might actually stand for a while, unlike Brees' passing yards record).

 

[DoubleDeuce]

I really don't see how you can justify giving it to Brees. Yes, he had one of the greatest seasons a quarterback has EVER had this year. However, Rodgers' campaign was even better.

If Rodgers had played that last game and put up 6 TDs like his backup did, he would've broke the TD record. He did break the QB record.

Brees numbers outside of a dome: 12 TD, 8 Int
Rodgers numbers outside of a dome: 38 TD, 6 Int

 

[leaffan]

I can't take the Passing Yards statistic serious anymore. It's RBI status at this point.

I'm coming off as anti-Brees in this thread so I should probably mention that this is not the case. I've been saying for weeks now that post-Rams game Brees has been playing out of his mind and is definitely giving Rodgers a run for MVP. Although it helps that I've watched every Packer game this year, I have to believe that Rodgers had the better season overall.

Let's look at Rodgers' turnovers for a second. 6 interceptions, 0 fumbles lost. His first interception came in Week 3 against the Bears up 27-17 on a great defensive read by Brian Urlacher. Bears turned it over on downs the following possession. The second and third INTs were very similar: tipped balls that should have been caught by the receivers, both with a secure lead in the 4th quarter. The fourth INT was probably his worst throw of the year, but they were up 28-19 in the 4th against the Bucs and maintained that lead throughout. The fifth was a bad read by Rodgers against NYG that shifted momentum but he made up for it with a 4 TD performance and a 58 second drive down the field to win. The final interception was simply Rodgers trying to pad his stats with a 31-0 lead, passing to Finley in the corner of the end zone when they probably should have just ran the ball. No harm done.

That's it. Rodgers did not make one mistake all season that cost GB the lead or the game. That is remarkable.

Oh and I just realized now, if you factor in rushing touchdowns, Rodgers does in fact have more touchdowns than Brees. (Rodgers with 48 and Brees with 47). None of Rodgers' three rushing scores were 1-yarders, either.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind them sharing the MVP considering that both had two of the greatest quarterback seasons in NFL History. But with the state of the NFL as it is, I can't help but imagine that Brees' season will be looked at in a few years the same way we view someone like Matthew Stafford's 2011 season right now. Rodgers' season will probably be more memorable long-term for going 15-1 and having the highest season QB rating of all-time (a stat that I believe might actually stand for a while, unlike Brees' passing yards record).

Mindless and endless walls of text like this make me completly discredit any sort of valid opinion on a arguement between two QBs and who should win the mvp award.

At least bucky fixed his terrible estimating skills by doing some quick math.

 

[leaffan]

I really don't see how you can justify giving it to Brees. Yes, he had one of the greatest seasons a quarterback has EVER had this year. However, Rodgers' campaign was even better.

If Rodgers had played that last game and put up 6 TDs like his backup did, he would've broke the TD record. He did break the QB record.

Brees numbers outside of a dome: 12 TD, 8 Int
Rodgers numbers outside of a dome: 38 TD, 6 Int

Peyton Manning.

Worst QB of all time if we're following this example.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Peyton Manning.

Worst QB of all time if we're following this example.

No.

All of the following stats are Manning outside of a dome:

2010: 20 TD, 8 Int
2009(MVP): 16 TD, 6 Int
2008(MVP): 18 TD, 8 Int
2004(MVP): 17 TD, 4 Int
2003(MVP): 5 TD, 6 Int (really the only season that qualifies as bad outside of a dome)

 

[mgoblue2290]

So you're suggesting the teams are very close?

So then why is Brees required to throw 150 more passes than Rodgers? Perhaps because he does more for the Saints than Rodgers did for the Packers?

Perhaps the Saints aren't as good and needed more out of Brees to win 13 than the Packers did to get 14 W's from Rodgers?

The Lions needed a lot out of Stafford to win 10 games. They needed a lot out of Calvin to win 10 games. Thus Stafford and Calvin should be co-MVPs.

 

[ralaw]

This reminds me of '07 when Favre had the best statistical season of his career, eclipsing even his 3 consecutive MVP seasons but didn't get the MVP because Brady went undefeated. Brees had the best season of his career and most seasons would be a lead pipe lock for MVP but this season Rodgers has a slight edge statistically, record wise and won the head to head match up.

The MVP is Rodgers but I am extremely worried about the Saints with their explosive offense and solid defense coming into Lambeau and possibly beating the Packers and their slumping defense. If that happens, Rodgers will have won the MVP battle but lost the Super Bowl war.

Meh, don't worry about it. NO's offense sucks (for their standards) when playing outdoors.

 

[Tengo Juego]

I'm not even 100% sure Rodgers is the best QB on his team.

:whut:

You should probably watch more Packers games. #letmetorrentthatforyou

 

[KNUBB]

MvP that wall of text lost its credibility in it's 1st sentence. Rodgers has lost 4-ish fumbles this season if I remember correctly. Thanks to Sunday Ticket I have seen a lot of Packers games.

 

[bucky]

MvP that wall of text lost its credibility in it's 1st sentence. Rodgers has lost 4-ish fumbles this season if I remember correctly. Thanks to Sunday Ticket I have seen a lot of Packers games.

Rodgers had ZERO lost fumbles. NO TURNOVERS ON FUMBLES.

Brees had 1.

Another argument Brees loses. Try again.

 

[bucky]

At least bucky fixed his terrible estimating skills by doing some quick math.

It wasn't my estimating. It was somebody elses estimating. And I read in an article this morning by a professional either on jsonline or espn.com and they had Rodgers projected numbers to be something like 6067 yards. I don't know how they came up with it. Be interested to know how they did.

 

[EmpireWF]

The individual stats are close enough that team record does come into it and the 15-1, #1 seeded team with the star QB will always get the nod over the other guy.