Rodgers or Brees?

[NAHSTE]

I'm not even 100% sure Rodgers is the best QB on his team.

 

[KNUBB]

The word efficient is funny considering Drew Brees broke his own completion percentage record :yao:

 

[NAHSTE]

The word efficient is funny considering Drew Brees broke his own completion percentage record :yao:

He throws interceptions more efficiently than Rodgers too.

 

[KNUBB]

He throws interceptions more efficiently than Rodgers too.

Brees scar laughs at your puny little put downs. Brees started off a little turnover happy, but ever since that Rams game he went into another gear

EDIT: 11 of his 14 were all before week 10. Keep trying hard though

 

[bucky]

The word efficient is funny considering Drew Brees broke his own completion percentage record :yao:

Yards per attempt has much more to do with efficiency than completion percentage. And Rodgers had both a high yards per attempt and a high completion percentage. Rodgers got more out of his pass attempts. More TD's, far fewer turnovers and more yards per pass. More efficient. And it equaled more wins.

 

[bucky]

Brees scar laughs at your puny little put downs. Brees started off a little turnover happy, but ever since that Rams game he went into another gear

EDIT: 11 of his 14 were all before week 10. Keep trying hard though

Unfortunately for Brees this isn't a last 6 games or so MVP award. It's a season MVP award.

Matt Flynn had 480 yards and 6 tds in the last game, what did Brees do? Should we give the MVP to Flynn?

 

[KNUBB]

Unfortunately for Brees this isn't a last 6 games or so MVP award. It's a season MVP award.

Matt Flynn had 480 yards and 6 tds in the last game, what did Brees do? Should we give the MVP to Flynn?

No but don't you think toppling a 25+ year single season record is enough to warrant a season MVP?

 

[dell71]

I don't think team success should factor to an individual award period, so I choose Rodgers over Brees for the same reason I chose Kemp over Braun. I feel that in the chosen season, Rodgers slightly outperformed Brees and thus provided more value. Don't see why we feel the need to throw other contextual factors in there.

Personally, I disagree with this but it depends on how you define "Most Valuable Player". Are you voting for who you think was the best player or for the player you think was most valuable to their team's success? They're not always the same thing. If you pick the latter then the other contextual factors are already there. I don't think either way is inherently right or wrong. Whichever way you feel about it dictates how you would vote.

In this case, I think Rodgers was the best AND most valuable. He was off the charts good for 14 of 15 games and there was no doubt he was MVP. Brees gained ground because GB dropped a game to KC and Rodgers sat out a game + that whole yardage record thing. Rodgers threw 6 picks all season. Brees had a tremendous year but threw 3 in a loss to Tampa and 2 more in a loss to the Rams. Rodgers didn't throw 3 in any calendar month!

On top of that New Orleans had the better running game by a good margin (35 yards/game ranked 27th, NO was 6th). Green Bay's defense was ranked below New Orleans in points allowed (19th, NO 13th), total defense (last in the league, NO 24th), 3rd down percentage allowed (26th, NO 5th), pass defense (last, NO 30th), rush defense (14th, NO 12th). So I'm definitely not seeing where GB is better after subtracting the 2 quarterbacks.

Forgive this part, if it's been posted. I read a number of posts referring to this but didn't see exactly how the numbers work out (might've missed it). BTW, this part has nothing to do with my vote, but I was curious to see:

Brees actual stats: 468/657 - 5476 yds - 46 td - 14 int

Rodgers projected out to 657 attempts: 449/657 - 6077 yds - 59 td - 8 int

 

[NAHSTE]

No but don't you think toppling a 25+ year single season record is enough to warrant a season MVP?

hlawd:

I guess you're giving it to Brady too? Rodgers was better. Just admit it.

 

[KNUBB]

hlawd:

I guess you're giving it to Brady too? Rodgers was better. Just admit it.

There can only be one record holder and the Scarface is that guy

 

[bucky]

No but don't you think toppling a 25+ year single season record is enough to warrant a season MVP?

In most years, even with the inflated passing stats. But not this year. Not when another QB has clearly had a better year by any statistical analysis and also has more wins.

 

[NAHSTE]

There can only be one record holder and the Scarface is that guy

And there can only be one MVP and Da God is that guy.

 

[KNUBB]

Personally, I disagree with this but it depends on how you define "Most Valuable Player". Are you voting for who you think was the best player or for the player you think was most valuable to their team's success? They're not always the same thing. If you pick the latter then the other contextual factors are already there. I don't think either way is inherently right or wrong. Whichever way you feel about it dictates how you would vote.

In this case, I think Rodgers was the best AND most valuable. He was off the charts good for 14 of 15 games and there was no doubt he was MVP. Brees gained ground because GB dropped a game to KC and Rodgers sat out a game + that whole yardage record thing. Rodgers threw 6 picks all season. Brees had a tremendous year but threw 3 in a loss to Tampa and 2 more in a loss to the Rams. Rodgers didn't throw 3 in any calendar month!

On top of that New Orleans had the better running game by a good margin (35 yards/game ranked 27th, NO was 6th). Green Bay's defense was ranked below New Orleans in points allowed (19th, NO 13th), total defense (last in the league, NO 24th), 3rd down percentage allowed (26th, NO 5th), pass defense (last, NO 30th), rush defense (14th, NO 12th). So I'm definitely not seeing where GB is better after subtracting the 2 quarterbacks.

Forgive this part, if it's been posted. I read a number of posts referring to this but didn't see exactly how the numbers work out (might've missed it). BTW, this part has nothing to do with my vote, but I was curious to see:

Brees actual stats: 468/657 - 5476 yds - 46 td - 14 int

Rodgers projected out to 657 attempts: 449/657 - 6077 yds - 59 td - 8 int

The thing about projected stats is that they are simply a guess. Remember when Tom Brady was projected to throw for 7200 yards?

 

[dell71]

No but don't you think toppling a 25+ year single season record is enough to warrant a season MVP?

Records do not = MVPs. Eric Dickerson wasn't even OPOY when he set the single-season rushing record. Same for Marvin Harrison when he obliterated the record for most receptions in a season.

 

[KNUBB]

Records do not = MVPs. Eric Dickerson wasn't even OPOY when he set the single-season rushing record. Same for Marvin Harrison when he obliterated the record for most receptions in a season.

So we're saying Brees didn't just post up one of the best seasons of all time?

 

[bucky]

The thing about projected stats is that they are simply a guess. Remember when Tom Brady was projected to throw for 7200 yards?

Sometimes you have to in order to help some people understand the importance of yards per attempt and to help put into perspective the efficiency difference when comparing QB's.

It's being able to recognize that Vinny Testeverde was not better than Dan Fauts even though Vinny has more career yards.

 

[dell71]

The thing about projected stats is that they are simply a guess. Remember when Tom Brady was projected to throw for 7200 yards?

That's why I prefaced it by saying that had nothing to do with how I voted. It was just to satisfy my curiosity.

So we're saying Brees didn't just post up one of the best seasons of all time?

He did. It's too bad for him that Rodgers' still had a better year.

 

[NAHSTE]

So we're saying Brees didn't just post up one of the best seasons of all time?

One of the best of all time and the second best this season.

 

[MrBill]

This reminds me of '07 when Favre had the best statistical season of his career, eclipsing even his 3 consecutive MVP seasons but didn't get the MVP because Brady went undefeated. Brees had the best season of his career and most seasons would be a lead pipe lock for MVP but this season Rodgers has a slight edge statistically, record wise and won the head to head match up.

The MVP is Rodgers but I am extremely worried about the Saints with their explosive offense and solid defense coming into Lambeau and possibly beating the Packers and their slumping defense. If that happens, Rodgers will have won the MVP battle but lost the Super Bowl war.

 

[KNUBB]

won the head to head match up.

This is something that always bugged me. That win was a TEAM win. Statistically speaking(which is what the MVP primarily looks at) Brees had the better game that night.