Ryan Braun wins appeal of positive test for PEDs. Gob rejoices, MM still banned

[FirstTimer]

Here's how I see it and I'm partially being a homer too I guess, even though I'm probably the farthest thing from one.

Braun has taken a ton of tests and all came up clean, even the one right after the incident. Not saying that means he's clean but it shows a trend.

Why the hell did a negative test sit in this dudes fridge for 3 days? That's a ridiculous level of incompetency.

Wasn't the tested sample like ungodly high in testosterone, like higher than most reasonably heavy steroid users?

Not saying he's innocent by any standards but the whole thing is really, really shady from the MLB's level. I know people are going to crucify Braun for "loopholes" but holy hell have some respect for your own testing. Don't let agreed upon confidential information leak out and don't let an intern keep a dudes urine in his fridge for 3 days. The MLB has a contract and agreement in place that sets standards and rules, they broke those standards and rules. Doesn't make Braun innocent but I don't think he's the villain here at all.

I agree and respect that people are going to say he's not innocence, just not punished or whatever but the whole thing smells like shit and I don't blame Braun for taking this course of action. It's clear the MLB didn't hold up to their end of the bargain, why should Braun?

lhoss: approves.


I'm still waiting to hear more from Braun's comments.

 

[FirstTimer]

Stole from CCS:

According to Will Carroll who has knowledge of this sort of stuff. He writes for SI:

“@injuryexpert: Repeatable result showed exactly how Braun's single test showed positive. Arbitrator agreed. Simple, isn't it?”

“@injuryexpert: The Braun decision was based on HOW the sample was corrupted. Panel was shown exactly what happened, why result was invalid.”

 

[FedEx227]

I did see that Carroll had an article ready to go but SI pulled it.

 

[Primetime]

Just in case you didn't remember FedEx, Braun's TE was 20/1.....anything over 4/1 fails.

 

[FedEx227]

Thanks, I forgot the exact numbers.

Seems a little extreme, no?

 

[FirstTimer]

Wait, Fed's a Brewers fan?

:shifty:

 

[Primetime]

Thanks, I forgot the exact numbers.

Seems a little extreme, no?

I just want to know how that level is even possible. I guess Braun was shooting synthetics straight into his bladder.

 

[FedEx227]

Wait, Fed's a Brewers fan?

:shifty:

NL team. Past 2 years I've went to more Brewers games than White Sox.

C'mon, look at how unlikable the White Sox have been over the past few years!

I've actually been a well-wisher of the Brewers for like 7-8 years now, ever since I was old enough to drive up to Milwaukee on my own. Especially now that I'm 21+. They are fun games to go to, love the stadium, love the city, cheaper to go to than the White Sox and far more enjoyable over the past few years.

 

[FirstTimer]

NL team. Past 2 years I've went to more Brewers games than White Sox.

C'mon, look at how unlikable the White Sox have been over the past few years!

Don't blame ya. Milwaukee is an awesome city.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

And what reason does Ryan Braun, who has passed 25+ tests in his MLB career have to suddenly go on the juice, after already playing at a MVP level? Call me a homer, but that makes just as little sense as someone tampering with the sample.

No offense, but you dont understand doping.

He could have passed 1,000 tests, that means nothing to me. NFL players, MMA fighters, track stars, all of these guys, sometimes test positive after years or even a decade of clean testing history.

Its entirely possible he accidentally took something he didn't know contained artificial testosterone. It's entirely possible he wasn't tipped off in time this time around. It's possible his masking agent didn't work for whatever reason. I don't know, none of us do.

But what do we know? We know the sample came up positive. That is a fact. And any of the above are far more likely than the intern or whoever was handling the sample sabotaging Braun by contaminating it. I mean, be fair here. Be realistic. Get serious.

And just so you guys understand, a 20/1 ratio is not some kind of outrageous unrealistic result, either. Guys like Emipire or Kuzzy can back me up, because i've seen fighters fail at double, triple, even ten times higher than that number. Just becaue it's the highest result in MLB testing history doesnt mean its a wacky result that raises a red flag.

It doesnt bother me that it was leaked. That isnt why Brauns rep is taking a hit. Brauns rep is taking a hit because of the way he beat the system. Had the appeal been won based on a false positive, there is no tainted rep to be dealt with. There is no reason to feel bad for Braun at this point. None.

Braun looks bad, the testimg has no credibility anymore, and the whole situation is a joke. Nobody looks good, nobody is exonerated, everybody loses.

 

[FedEx227]

It really is. Personally I like hanging out in Milwaukee far more than I do Chicago.

We usually get a hotel downtown, do some brewery tours (Lakefront 4 life), hit up the casino, go to the bars on Water Street.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Thanks, I forgot the exact numbers.

Seems a little extreme, no?

I just want to know how that level is even possible. I guess Braun was shooting synthetics straight into his bladder.

I've seen people fail at 200/1. 20/1 isnt a ridiculous number by any means.

 

[FirstTimer]

It doesnt bother me that it was leaked. That isnt why Brauns rep is taking a hit. Brauns rep is taking a hit because of the way he beat the system. Had the appeal been won based on a false positive, there is no tainted rep to be dealt with. There is no reason to feel bad for Braun at this point. None.

Braun looks bad, the testimg has no credibility anymore, and the whole situation is a joke. Nobody looks good, nobody is exonerated, everybody loses.

We don't know how he beat the system yet. You're jumping to a conclusion here at this point.

It really is. Personally I like hanging out in Milwaukee far more than I do Chicago.

We usually get a hotel downtown, do some brewery tours (Lakefront 4 life), hit up the casino, go to the bars on Water Street.

Lakefront = :fap:

Ever been to The Safehouse?

I've never been to a bar on Water St. I always end up away from the lake at the corner/neighborhood bars.

 

[FedEx227]

What type of athletes though? Wrestlers and MMA guys, no offense (since I'm a fan of both) are probably going to take far more risks with that type of stuff.

And again, there seems to be reports that this positive test can be replicated. I think we need to wait before painting Braun with a brush.

I don't think we have to wait to see that MLB completely went against the agreed upon, written procedure for this testing which I'm pretty sure doesn't involved letting information leak to a tabloid like ESPN or having a sample hang out in a dudes fridge 2 days beyond what it should.

 

[FedEx227]

We don't know how he beat the system yet. You're jumping to a conclusion here at this point.




Lakefront = :fap:

Ever been to The Safehouse?

I've never been to a bar on Water St. I always end up away from the lake at the corner/neighborhood bars.

I have never been to the Safehouse Want to though. It's right by the Bronze-Fonz, correct?

 

[FirstTimer]

I have never been to the Safehouse Want to though. It's right by the Bronze-Fonz, correct?

I think.

I was slightly drunk when I got there...and bombed when I left.......


lhoss: style.

 

[Goober]

I have never been to the Safehouse Want to though. It's right by the Bronze-Fonz, correct?

Go on someones birthday.

 

[FedEx227]

Mine is Monday. let's do this.

 

[FedEx227]

I think.

I was slightly drunk when I got there...and bombed when I left.......


lhoss: style.

 

[Goober]

Mine is Monday. let's do this.

Just have one of your friends tell the bartender or waitress that it's your birthday. That's all I'm going to say, don't want to ruin the surprise.