Shaun King Not a Fan of Gruden's ESPN QB Special

[Woy]

Talk about a moe, Andrew Luck needs his head examined for going back to college. Ask Jake Locker how playing his senior year helped his draft stock. Not to mention Harbaugh is gone, too. Good luck to Andrew in 2011.

Jake Locker was rated the top quarterback by Todd McShay. No one else had him as a definite first rounder. The situations are completely different.

Luck came back because he values his education and is more than just a football player. He's on track to graduate with honors from Stanford and he's close with his class, so it isn't a situation where he could have entered the draft today and went back to school to graduate in an off-season because it wouldn't mean the same to him.

"But he passed up $60 million!" Yeah, but his father was a former quarterback for the Houston Oilers and is now the Athletic Director at WVU. He's never been pressed for money, so the riches of being the sure-fire #1 pick didn't matter to Luck.

Luck made the right decision by going back to college because it's what makes him happy. He's not a kid raised by a single mother who has drug problems like some of these early entry cases are. He's just a normal engineering major who has a gift for throwing the football.

The Locker/Luck comparisons are ridiculous.

 

[BigBucs]

HUH????????


That somehow is even more retarded than your last post. Was Gruden a different person when he was in Oakland? Was that time erased from history? Were his accomplishments somehow 'vacated' there? Do Seahawk fans view Jerry Rice as a below-average WR because their only focus is Seattle?

AND even in my post, I allowed for ignoring Gruden's time in Oakland, making your response even MORE nonsensical.

Me: Even if we ignore Gruden's accomplishments in Oakland, he did quite well in Tampa.

BigBucs: I can care less what he did in Oak. My only focus is TB.


You are just a troll. Nothing more. Good day, sir.

We are here speaking on what he has done with developing young QBs and you want to kiss his ass for carrying the most veteran team in the league at the time, with the offensive MVP, probowlers and HOF's all over the place. You kiss Grudens ass because he can only win consistently with QBs on the back end of their career.

The issue at hand is Gruden not developing QB's. Rich Gannon was in the league for like a fucking decade when he started under Gruden. The hell should I care about those years for when it is relevant to the convo?

 

[Senser81]

We are here speaking on what he has done with developing young QBs and you want to kiss his ass for carrying the most veteran team in the league at the time, with the offensive MVP, probowlers and HOF's all over the place. You kiss Grudens ass because he can only win consistently with QBs on the back end of their career.

The issue at hand is Gruden not developing QB's. Rich Gannon was in the league for like a fucking decade when he started under Gruden. The hell should I care about those years for when it is relevant to the convo?

So Gruden didn't make the playoffs with Chris Simms as his QB?:bee:

 

[RyanLeaf16]

So Gruden didn't make the playoffs with Chris Simms as his QB?:bee:

...and he was just a dropped Edell Sheppard pass in the end-zone away from winning a playoff game with Chris Simms. I still remember that. Sheppard was wide open in the end-zone and Simms hit him in stride and it went right through Sheppard's arms.

 

[BigBucs]

So Gruden didn't make the playoffs with Chris Simms as his QB?:bee:

You really using that weak shit as a valid argument? Chris Simms was apart of the Buccaneers team with the #1 defense in the league that season. Our offense was ranked 23 overall and 25th in passing.

Although the Redskins gained only 120 yards on offense, the lowest total in NFL playoff history for a winning team,[2] they converted two turnovers into touchdowns.

Midway through the first quarter, Washington linebacker LaVar Arrington's 21-yard interception return set up running back Clinton Portis' six-yard touchdown run. Then, Redskins linebacker Marcus Washington recovered Tampa Bay running back Carnell Williams' fumble and returned it seven yards before losing it himself – into the arms of safety Sean Taylor who then ran 51 yards for the Redskins' second touchdown.

Early in the second quarter, Tampa Bay drove 38 yards to the Redskins 24-yard line where Matt Bryant kicked a 43-yard field goal to cut their deficit to 14-3. The Redskins responded with an 10-play, 40-yard drive and scored with a 40-yard field goal from John Hall.

In the third quarter, Mark Jones gave the Buccaneers the ball at their own 49-yard line on a 24-yard punt return. Tampa Bay's offense then went on a 7-play, 51-yard drive that ended with quarterback Chris Simms' two-yard touchdown run. In the fourth quarter, Tampa Bay drove to the Redskins 19-yard line, but linebacker Lemar Marshall tackled fullback Mike Alstott for no gain on third down and 1, and then Simms threw an incomplete pass on fourth down. Buccaneers defensive back Brian Kelly intercepted a pass from Mark Brunell on the Redskins' next drive and returned it the Redskins 35-yard line. With 3 minutes left in the game, Tampa Bay wide receiver Edell Shepherd caught what appeared to be a 35-yard touchdown reception, but he lost control of the ball as he was coming down in the end zone for an incomplete pass. The Buccaneers got one last chance to tie the game when they received a punt at their own 46-yard line with 1:05 left in regulation, but Simms threw a pass that was tipped at the line of scrimmage and went into the arms of the Redskins' Marcus Washington for a game-ending interception.

This game was widely regarded by commentators as an "ugly" performance by both teams' offenses, rendering it a largely defensive game.

Simms/Gruden made the playoffs with Kiffen as the defensive coordinator.

 

[Senser81]

You really using that weak shit as a valid argument? Chris Simms was apart of the Buccaneers team with the #1 defense in the league that season. Our offense was ranked 23 overall and 25th in passing.



Simms/Gruden made the playoffs with Kiffen as the defensive coordinator.

Like whoa...I don't remember saying that Gruden set postseason offensive records with Simms as his QB, and I don't remember saying that Simms was unstoppable in the playoffs. Similar to JohnnyEcstasy, when I ask rhetorically "Didn't Gruden make the playoffs with Simms as his QB?", your 'counterargument' is to post the postgame writeup of the playoff game I'm referring to. Great work.

Were you in Troll 2?

 

[BigBucs]

Write up? More like facts. The Bucs made the playoffs because of Monte Kiffin and their D, period. Go ahead and try to downplay your asinine points, or lack there of.

 

[Senser81]

Write up? More like facts. The Bucs made the playoffs because of Monte Kiffin and their D, period. Go ahead and try to downplay your asinine points, or lack there of.

So, your argument is that Gruden can't develop QBs because this one year at Tampa he had a really good defense coached by Monte Kiffin.



If I didn't already know that you are retarded, I would have to ask "Are you retarded?"

 

[BigBucs]

So, your argument is that Gruden can't develop QBs because this one year at Tampa he had a really good defense coached by Monte Kiffin.



If I didn't already know that you are retarded, I would have to ask "Are you retarded?"

No, I thought it was quite clear that he cant develop QBs because he hasnt. The debate shifted over to Gruden being an offensive guru, him making the playoffs with Simms etc... etc... But you can keep trying to troll, I shoot it down and you can respond with some other random shit. How much longer u gonna chill under that bridge?

 

[ram29jackson]

the show is dumb and no kid listens to valid advice anyway...and Fairley wasnt listening to him either or has no clue how to interact...like most athletes