Sick in the head (Pain acknowledged and denied, in the NFL, NHL and in general)

[Ravin]

The whole point is that the NHL's position is conflicting when it comes to reducing concussions. They say they want to reduce concussions but at the same time they allow fighting which poses an unnecessary risk to the players' health. If the NHL wants to say that fighting will stay because it's entertaining side aspect of the sport, then so be it. At the same time, they should just drop the act of saying they want to protect players from concussions and head trauma. The NHL truly doesn't care about the health of their players because they aren't eliminating unnecessary risks to the sport. You can't even defend the NHL's position on protecting players without completely ignoring logic. The Olympics and many forms of amateur hockey exist without fighting. Why can't the NHL?

bama: Again, because like the rest of the hockey fans here, we all know fighting is not the issue. How many times does this need to be said. For the 100 time, look at the list of players all currently out with concussions. None of them are the result of fighting. It is the media that is driving this 'non-fighting' shit to death.

And how is it an unnecessary risk. Both people in the fight make the choice to fight. No one says they have to. If they don't want to fight, they don't drop the gloves. That is how it works. You drop the gloves, you know what you are getting into. It is the same risk anyone takes going into a fight.

What is an uncesessary risk is everything we pointed out. The equipment and not finding better ways to protect players heads, the design of the boards and glass, and hitting to the head from body checks and elbows. You know, the things that cause the vast vast majority of concussions in the league.

I am telling you guys now. If you take out fighting, hits to the head, and concussions from hits will go up. KG, wr50l, fallin, leaf, hockey people know this. If people like the Sean Avery's and Claude Lemiuex's are not kept in check they would be allowed to do whatever they want to any player. You guys don't seem to realize that.

"Take out fighting you solve 10%".

Rather it is, take out fighting, solve 10%, gain 20% in other areas.

 

[Ravin]

Malicious hits used to be part of football's culture until it was stopped.

Yeah because there are no malicious hits at all in the NFL.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyyhMGwF-NY&feature=related"]Harrison hit on Colt McCoy - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEvj1Dgvz_U&feature=related"]James Harrison hit on Josh Cribbs - YouTube[/ame]

:fuckyou:

 

[Fappin Raptor]

Malicious hits used to be part of football's culture until it was stopped.

I'm not talking about assault, I'm talking about agreed upon fighting.

 

[FirstTimer]

So clearly KG is fucking with my access. Tapatalk works. No one else is having issues etc. Someone is mad

 

[killgod]

does it?

:troll:

 

[mgoblue2290]

Yeah because there are no malicious hits at all in the NFL.

Harrison hit on Colt McCoy - YouTube
James Harrison hit on Josh Cribbs - YouTube

:fuckyou:

And the guy who did that was penalized and fined. Just because something is part of the game doesn't mean it can't be changed. The "thats the way its always been" is a terrible argument. If the NHL wants to cut down on concussions they will get rid of fighting. You have absolutely no proof that eliminating fighting will lead to a 20% increase in concussions elsewhere.

 

[Ravin]

And the guy who did that was penalized and fined. Just because something is part of the game doesn't mean it can't be changed. The "thats the way its always been" is a terrible argument. If the NHL wants to cut down on concussions they will get rid of fighting. You have absolutely no proof that eliminating fighting will lead to a 20% increase in concussions elsewhere.

If the NHL wants to cut down on concussions they will fix equipment, body checking to the head, boards and glass and game rules.

bama: Again, this isn't hard. And you have no proof that getting rid of fighting will help the concussion problem. Because as we have shown through videos, Giroux, Crosby, Staal, Skinner, Pronger are all out because of issues not related to fighting.

 

[mgoblue2290]

If the NHL wants to cut down on concussions they will fix equipment, body checking to the head, boards and glass and game rules.

bama: Again, this isn't hard. And you have no proof that getting rid of fighting will help the concussion problem. Because as we have shown through videos, Giroux, Crosby, Staal, Skinner, Pronger are all out because of issues not related to fighting.

I agree with that shit too. However fighting is also a cause and should be eliminated in addition to the those things. I'm pretty sure I said I agreed with that earlier too. I'm not saying fighting is the leading or only cause, I am saying it is one of the causes and should be dealt with accordingly if the NHL is truly committed to limiting concussions.

 

[killgod]

So clearly KG is fucking with my access. Tapatalk works. No one else is having issues etc. Someone is mad

Why are you so quiet?

I know you're desperately trying to respond here, cmon, just do it!

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

The whole point is that the NHL's position is conflicting when it comes to reducing concussions. They say they want to reduce concussions but at the same time they allow fighting which poses an unnecessary risk to the players' health. If the NHL wants to say that fighting will stay because it's entertaining side aspect of the sport, then so be it. At the same time, they should just drop the act of saying they want to protect players from concussions and head trauma. The NHL truly doesn't care about the health of their players because they aren't eliminating unnecessary risks to the sport. You can't even defend the NHL's position on protecting players without completely ignoring logic. The Olympics and many forms of amateur hockey exist without fighting. Why can't the NHL?

No. The whole point was to come in and troll.
Every sport is "conflicting". NFL ProBowl is played without blitzes , max QB protection and no Zone defense to make sure guys dont get hurt in a meaningless game..why not do what during the regular season if they care about health ???

Once again its purely subjective and the NHL remains a business and just as hypocritical as the NFL , MLB , Boxing and any other sport where there's a chance guys may touch each other in a violent way. There (NHLs)attempt at balance doesnt include someones personal and *seemingly* uneducated opinion on what should be prioritized. Oh well boo hoo.

Other sports getting along without doesn't mean the sport wouldn't change without it. Otherwise MLB players would be swinging aluminum bats.

 

[Fappin Raptor]

No. The whole point was to come in and troll.
Every sport is "conflicting". NFL ProBowl is played without blitzes , max QB protection and no Zone defense to make sure guys dont get hurt in a meaningless game..why not do what during the regular season if they care about health ???

Once again its purely subjective and the NHL remains a business and just as hypocritical as the NFL , MLB , Boxing and any other sport where there's a chance guys may touch each other in a violent way. There (NHLs)attempt at balance doesnt include someones personal and *seemingly* uneducated opinion on what should be prioritized. Oh well boo hoo.

Other sports getting along without doesn't mean the sport wouldn't change without it. Otherwise MLB players would be swinging aluminum bats.

Post of the Year.

 

[Ravin]

No. The whole point was to come in and troll.
Every sport is "conflicting". NFL ProBowl is played without blitzes , max QB protection and no Zone defense to make sure guys dont get hurt in a meaningless game..why not do what during the regular season if they care about health ???

Once again its purely subjective and the NHL remains a business and just as hypocritical as the NFL , MLB , Boxing and any other sport where there's a chance guys may touch each other in a violent way. There (NHLs)attempt at balance doesnt include someones personal and *seemingly* uneducated opinion on what should be prioritized. Oh well boo hoo.

Other sports getting along without doesn't mean the sport wouldn't change without it. Otherwise MLB players would be swinging aluminum bats.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDMxebBNvjU"]Sidney Crosby Hits a Home Run at PNC Park - YouTube[/ame]
Doesn't need one
:yeah:

 

[mgoblue2290]

No. The whole point was to come in and troll.
Every sport is "conflicting". NFL ProBowl is played without blitzes , max QB protection and no Zone defense to make sure guys dont get hurt in a meaningless game..why not do what during the regular season if they care about health ???

Holy shit, you truly are retarded. The Pro Bowl is a fun game and is not really competitive. Blitzes and zone defense are perfectly legal in the NFL, just like checking is legal in hockey. Fighting really isn't even legal in hockey seeing as both players get penalized for it.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I agree with that shit too. However fighting is also a cause and should be eliminated in addition to the those things. I'm pretty sure I said I agreed with that earlier too. I'm not saying fighting is the leading or only cause, I am saying it is one of the causes and should be dealt with accordingly if the NHL is truly committed to limiting concussions.

Key words..accordingly and Limiting.

Fights arent the leading cause of head trauma and by everything posted seem to be very low on the totem pole. The much higher likelyhoods are being dealt with. This is the same thing the NFL did and is doing. Lineman are getting there brains scrambled every play and are literally bashing each others heads every play. But the priority is the blatant hits as to avoid total game restructuring.

Limiting =/= eliminating.

 

[Fappin Raptor]

But like Ravin has pointed out checking/incidental contact is the majority cause of concussions right now. It's legal to provide a hit yet it seems to be the leading cause of concussions.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Key words..accordingly and Limiting.

Concussions arent the leading cause of head trauma and by everything posted seem to be very low on the totem pole. The much higher likelyhoods are being dealt with. This is the same thing the NFL did and is doing. Lineman are getting there brains scrambled every play and are literally bashing each others heads every play. But the priority is the blatant hits as to avoid total game restructuring.

Limiting =/= eliminating.

I would bet that head trauma is the leading cause of concussions.

 

[mgoblue2290]

But like Ravin has pointed out checking/incidental contact is the majority cause of concussions right now. It's legal to provide a hit yet it seems to be the leading cause of concussions.

Which is fine because it is a defensive play. What I have been saying, is that if the NHL wants to limit concussions, one step is to get rid of fighting. It is one thing that can help, that is all. There are other things that can help as well. In sports like football and hockey concussions are going to happen. It is up the each league to do what they can to limit them, while keeping the game intact.

 

[Fappin Raptor]

Make hitting illegal, ban fighting and cut the dicks off of our athletes and you will see a drastic decrease in concussion.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Holy shit, you truly are retarded. The Pro Bowl is a fun game and is not really competitive. Blitzes and zone defense are perfectly legal in the NFL, just like checking is legal in hockey. Fighting really isn't even legal in hockey seeing as both players get penalized for it.

So wtf are you arguing about ?

What is your stance other than hemming and hawwing and repeating shit thats already been said or addressed ?

 

[killgod]

one final note from FT

You want me out of the hockey forum? Fine. I'll leave and bow to your technology superiority. Just undo whatever you did to mess up my access. Ban me from the hockey forum. Deal?

:lol: