Sick in the head (Pain acknowledged and denied, in the NFL, NHL and in general)

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Contact in hockey and football is an inherent part of both games. They limit the defense in the Pro Bowl because of the very fact that it is a meaningless game and the NFL is trying to reduce unnecessary risk to the players' health. If the NHL and NFL wanted to take contact out of their games, the sports would cease to exist as we know it. (Which is why every one gets up in arms about these new NFL contact rules, but that is another argument) The fact is, a hockey game can be played without dropping the gloves and no one would blink an eye. The Olympic competition proves that. Therefore, any and all fighting is an unnecessary risk to the health of the players. The same players' health that the NHL disingenuously vows to protect. If the NHL would just cut the charade and say they don't give a fuck about the players' health, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Bolded = Unfounded opinion.

Underlined = Ok and ??
You shouldnt be having this discussion anyways. If you choose not to accept that fighting is part of the sport then you're just being hard headed and prioritizing your opinion against the players , and fans. The charade wont be cut unless theyre desperate for Americas biggest liability lawsuit.

This is irrelevant and what I'm saying is fact. Fighting can cause head trauma which can cause concussions. That statement is 100% true. This is about the NHL saying one thing and then doing another. It's so easy to eliminate fighting and subsequently eliminate one activity that can lead to concussions. Why not just do it if you are allegedly dedicated to preserving the players' health?

Already answered. If your that gullible as to believe everything a commish or sports leader tells you then be on your merry way. The health issue is double talk as already mentioned. Your question as to why not has also been answered. Choosing not to accept it doesnt make it a still unanswered question. Even if you were so stubborn as to refuse to believe everything said youd have to miss the $$ symbol that is at the root of every decision..which AGAIN...was already covered.

Not sure I understand the connection here. Baseball players have to have bats to play. MLB says they must be made of wood. This doesn't contradict any other stance in baseball. Hockey players do not have to fight. This does contradict the NHL's stance on protecting the health of their players.

The point wasnt about contradiction it was a counter to the "other leagues , orgs , levels" do it. Its an irrelevant argument.


Bottom line the trolls are arguing whether *particular violent act* is needed/integral/important to the game with a bunch of guys who know the game alot better ignoring the fact it (decision making)happens in every contact sport.

Its a troll job nothing more.

If you care that much go write a letter to Gary Bettman or twitter Zarley Zalapski. Telling hockey fans fighting is stupid and needless wreaks of desperation.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I posted an article pointing out the hypocrisy of the nfl, and somewhat hockey as well, and KOF makes a post saying all contact sports are conflicting and that's the post of the year ?

awww youre jealous again ? Thats so cute.

 

[leaffan]

21 pages and this is still going.

*doesn't use 40 posts per page :lesmug:

 

[Fappin Raptor]

Why you being such a dick brah?

I'm done for now. I'm going out and being awesome, something you can't even begin to fathom.

:yeah:

 

[Ravin]

If Rossetta was a hockey player it would be this

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ztqc-1ERdE"]The most intense 8 seconds ever - YouTube[/ame]


has a great fight card as well http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/1639

 

[Ravin]

Hey this should make them all happy. NHL FIGHTING THE NON HEAD SHOT WAY

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeqPuTp20w0&feature=related"]The most intense and craziest hockey fight ever - YouTube[/ame]

 

[FirstTimer]

Hey this should make them all happy. NHL FIGHTING THE NON HEAD SHOT WAY

The most intense and craziest hockey fight ever - YouTube

I'm pumped up.

 

[RosettaStoned]

awww youre jealous again ? Thats so cute.

I think your fucking stupid for making the same point on page 8, that was made in the first post. But you do dumb shit sometimes. I also think whoever said that was post of the year is also fucking stupid.

Jealous, not so much.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I think your fucking stupid for making the same point on page 8, that was made in the first post. But you do dumb shit sometimes. I also think whoever said that was post of the year is also fucking stupid.

Jealous, not so much.

I posted a Blades of Steel video on page 8 ?

You didnt make a point you posted a link with intention to troll. Is that was passes for making a point nowadays ?

No so much...but a little bit ...its ok..mention your physique a few more times you'll forget it ever happened.

 

[NAHSTE]

So I watched the Rangers-Devils replay today on MSG, excited to see Henrik v. Brodeur and all that, and sure enough the teams open up with their 4th line and gloves are dropped on the opening face off. The game was delayed 2 minutes so the short guy could get punched in the back of the head 12 times (by my count) by the tall guy.

 

[Ravin]

So I watched the Rangers-Devils replay today on MSG, excited to see Henrik v. Brodeur and all that, and sure enough the teams open up with their 4th line and gloves are dropped on the opening face off. The game was delayed 2 minutes so the short guy could get punched in the back of the head 12 times (by my count) by the tall guy.

As hockey guys have said, staged fights like that shit need to go. I fucking hate that crap as well. No point for it.

 

[NAHSTE]

As hockey guys have said, staged fights like that shit need to go. I fucking hate that crap as well. No point for it.

Yeah I just thought it was a funny coincidence that the game I watched this afternoon featured a staged fight. That concept is pretty weak. It wasn't even that good of a fight either, it just delayed the start of the game.

 

[RosettaStoned]

You didnt make a point you posted a link with intention to troll. Is that was passes for making a point nowadays ?

When did I say I made the point? You illiterate fucking moron. I'm quite sure I said I posted an article making that point, in the first post.

Reading comprehension... you sux at it homie.

 

[DSpydr84]

And again, you and FT don't understand the sport of hockey, so back in a circle we go. Funny how all the guys who live in the hockey forum, whose first sport is hockey, and talk about it all the time are perfectly happen with the way things are, and so are the NHL players for that matter.


Then people who know little about the sport want it changed...just like the media.

This is nothing new at all.


Leaf made point of it. Staged fighting is stupid. I hate starting a game and two guys want to go at it. But fighting does have its reasons.


You realize if you you didn't have fighting, Gretzky probably would have got the shit beat out of him right? It is because of those enforcers that he was able to do what he did. Same goes with Yzermen on the red wings with Bob Probert. If you touch the stars you answer the the enforcer. Hockey is the only sport with contact such as hitting, and if players can run over whomever they want, you will see injuries go up even more.

But you guys don't care. You want it gone, and then when all the superstars are injured, you won't care still because hockey isn't your thing.

What I gather from this paragraph is that you believe hockey cannot be played at a high level without somebody who will fight somebody else. If said person is removed from the game (the enforcer), then everyone would just violently and relentlessly attack other star players to keep them from scoring.

Is it fair to say that's what your point was?

If it is, I'm curious to hear why you feel this way and what you think the level of play in other sports is that don't have fighting.

Would I be right in saying this is similar to an offensive lineman pushing down a defensive player who hits the quarterback late? I guess in that respect, I get it. I don't agree with it, but I get it. Still, I believe football can be played at a high level without it.

 

[FirstTimer]

What I gather from this paragraph is that you believe hockey cannot be played at a high level without somebody who will fight somebody else. If said person is removed from the game (the enforcer), then everyone would just violently and relentlessly attack other star players to keep them from scoring.

Is it fair to say that's what your point was?

If it is, I'm curious to hear why you feel this way and what you think the level of play in other sports is that don't have fighting.

Would I be right in saying this is similar to an offensive lineman pushing down a defensive player who hits the quarterback late? I guess in that respect, I get it. I don't agree with it, but I get it. Still, I believe football can be played at a high level without it.

Well not really since hockey is apprently the only sport with "hitting"

:jonesy:

 

[ZoneBlitz]

The comparison between fighting "firing up" hockey players, and football players getting fired up after a big hit makes absolutely zero sense, because a big hit in football is an actual football play, and helps the team win the game. Fighting in hockey is not a play and doesnt help the team win, just 2 idiots stalling the actual game.

Also, the theory that star players would get crushed without fighting is equally retarded, there is no fighting allowed in any other non-fighting sport and this doesnt happen. When players do take a cheap shot, they are fined & suspended, and this is the deterrant. If anything, a player would be more willing to get into a lame hockey fight than be suspended & fined.

 

[wr50l]

ZoneBlitz did you not once say hockey was too low scoring for your tastes?

If no) I apologise, regardless you still don't seem to "get it".
If yes) ...

 

[ZoneBlitz]

ZoneBlitz did you not once say hockey was too low scoring for your tastes?

If no) I apologise, regardless you still don't seem to "get it".
If yes) ...

I was talking about soccer, i dont acknowledge the existance of hockey. I only liked hockey when the entire season was locked out.

 

[wr50l]

I was talking about soccer, i dont acknowledge the existance of hockey. I only liked hockey when the entire season was locked out.

Oh a non-hockey fan with an opinion on fighting in this thread. With all due respect, that's as typical as a concussion from a bodycheck.

 

[FirstTimer]

I was talking about soccer, i dont acknowledge the existance of hockey. I only liked hockey when the entire season was locked out.

:jonesy: